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SOME of the evil in the world?
Kat:
Hi Josh,
I think you have cover the whole evil thing very well.
Hi Darren,
You connected up 'world' with 'age,' so we can see that Satan will only rule this world/age until Christ returns to bring His kingdom.
Rev 11:15 And, the seventh messenger, sounded; and there came to be loud voices in heaven, saying—The kingdom of the world, hath become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign unto the ages of ages.
Here are a couple of emails of Ray's that help explain the 'world.'
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Dearest Ray
You are a "ray" of light! Please would you tell me what Jesus could have meant in John 17:9 where He excluded the world in His prayer. Who did he mean to be excluded?
Thank you & bless you
Deborah
Dear Deborah:
Good question.
The "world" represents two entities in Scripture: [1] The Church, Judaism, the Whore, Mystery Babylon the Great, and [2] The social system of the the nations in general.
Jesus referred to both in John's Gospel account:
"...but be of good cheer; I have overcome the WORLD" (John 16:33). What "world?" Did He overcome China? Japan? Indolnesia? No, Jesus overcame the world of Judaism--"He came unto His own [the Jews] but they received Him NOT," and hence He had to overcome them all the days of his earthly ministry.
But in John 17:24 read, "...for You loved Me before the foundation of the WORLD" is speaking of the whole "kosmos"--the whole system of world governments.
Jesus prayed for NEITHER of these two "worlds," as their destiny is solidly fixed by God's divine providence, and therefore prayer would be of no value. Jesus does not pray that His Father's Prophecies should NOT come to pass, and neither do God's Elect pray such nonsense as is parroted daily over the air waves "pray for world peace." Nonsense. There will be no world peace--God has already decreed it.
God be with you,
Ray
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babylon is the world system, education, religion and ecconomic.
education: lies with in them, you know what they are! evolution, etc.
religoun: eternal tormant and all the rest of false doctrines every religion has them, Christ in you is our religion.
economic: get rich brings happiness,,etc.
everyone of these mixes truth with lies.
((((chosen out of the world))))) not the "church'
overcome the world not overcome the church.
if Christ is in you!!! he overcame it Wink
Jhn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have (((((((chosen you out of the world)))))), therefore the world hateth you.
there is plenty more Wink
peace
chuckt
Dear Chuck:
Wrong. The "world" IS the Church, first and foremost. Secondarily it is the global world of nations and politics.
When Jesus said that He overcame "the world," certainly both aspects are covered (John16:33). A few verses later when Jesus said: "While I was with them in the WORLD, I kept them in Your Name..." (John 17:12), He is speaking of the religion of the Jews--the church. Jesus was not with the disciples in China or Russia, but in Judea which was religious to the core. EVERYONE was religious. ALL Jews of Judea were followers of Moses in some form or fashion.
"They are not of the WORLD [the religion of their own people in their own country Judea], even as I was not of the world...As You have sent Me into the world [not the nations, not the politics of Rome, etc.], EVEN SO [in the very same way] I also sent them into the world [the original apostles did not take the gospel to the Gentiles of the world]" (Verse 16 & 18).
Verse 24: "...for You loved Me before the foundation of the world [here again is the broader sense of the whole "kosmos" which involved the entire social order of mankind.
So, Yes, the word world in Scripture has the specific meaning of the Church or the Religion of the day.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Brett:
--- Quote from: In Medias Res on April 04, 2007, 12:28:17 AM ---But do earthly rulers restrain all evil or some? They restrain some evil by setting laws.. but they cannot restrain all... because even the very days are evil...
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Very well, Josh. Thank you for your quotes Scripture and comments! ;)
Thank you, Darren & Kat for the sharing. I understand most of you well.
From what I see in the scriptures said that all (not some) people (mankind) had and have evil things against God, and no one except evil act. For i.e., Job was very righteousness but still he had evil in him by blaming God, condemn God and Job think he is perfect flesh and without marred, that was evil against God because God created all mankind in marred. (Of course, Job confessed his flesh was marred at the end). And in Roman 3:23 said "all have sinned", so what they did sin is by evil doers.
Am I right understand or off?
Brett :D
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