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Who is my brother? NO REALLY
ciy:
Kat,
I do not think it is harsh. I realize we are all on the journey out of Egypt, but we must continue on to the spiritual and leave the carnal ways behind. As long as we cling to the law and try to do it in our flesh, we will build up our flesh no matter what we think. That is what happened to the pharisees. They were excellent in the physical. They were great husbands, great citizens, great givers, etc all in the flesh. Spiritually they were dead because there was no need for the spiritual side they were handling it just fine on their own.
Ro 9:30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness (from the inside), have attained to righteousness (on the inside), even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed (on the outside) after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness (on the inside).
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law (flesh). For they stumbled at that stumblingstone (the anointing of Christ in you making you just like Christ in the end)
This was a carnal law that built up our flesh just as our righteous acts are as filthy rags to God. If I do not commit adultery with a particular woman because I have just found a way to block it out of my mind, but whenever that thought comes to mind my desire to commit adultery comes back then I am still carnal. As with the pharisees, I will be pleased in the fact that I am a good man because I did not commit (physical) adultery and someone else did. I am a good husband (physically) to my wife and some one else is not. Puffs up. Peter's words as all words in the bible are spiritual. You are to love your husband and wife through the anointing of Christ. Not through your own understanding. I know many men who are as good a husband to their wives as is possible to be. Other wives are jealous of those men's wives they are so good, yet the husband does not have a clue about God and His ways. There are many books explaining exactly how to be a good mate, and if you follow it will make you a good mate. The comfort that comes with it will make you forget God because you did it without God.
We cannot attain that mark set before us until the end. If we think we have attained then be careful because you can be broken off and fall back into the law (Egypt, Bablylon, etc) I am only being an encourager to stay focused on the illogical ways of God. We must see that "His ways are not our ways." So anytime we are doing it our way we must immediately know that this is the wrong way.
Joh 6:60 ¶ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
I say this out of love and probably because I am so quick to look back into Egypt myself. That is why we are to fellowship with fellow believers like all of you so that together we can encourage each other to stand strong against the ways of the world, the ways of man. It is a narrow path and we must die daily and realize daily that it is from the inside out and not the outside in.
Love
CIY
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello CIY
You say : You must not resist evil but let evil do its job.
That is pure heresy of the highest order and there is no scripture to support defend or back up that statement necessary to the conclusions you draw in your post.
You say : Stop thinking like a man thinks. It will only make you return to the law and you will become more of a pharisee. When we say, "Oh I see now. I need to be as good a husband to my wife as I can and then I will become like Christ." NO. You will go back to Egypt and puff up like a pharisee.
Many strive to give up smoking, drugs, pornography, violence, deception etc and they become more and more sickened by the condition of addictions that they suffer. God can give you anything to overcome. God can release you from anything...."Deliver us from evil"...The evils we suffer have to become repugnant to us not acceptable and endured before God will release us. It is the contrite and broken spirit that God hears and heals not the spirit that is tolerant or indifferent to evil.
We have to become like God who arbors evil and considers evil an abomination! Abomination is something that is considered as loathsome, offensive, detestable and to dislike INTENSLY.
You say : The only way for evil to kill off the flesh is for you to delight yourself in the Lord and then always act out the desire of your heart until it is purged out and no longer a desire.
Yea RIGHT! Act out the lust of your heart till it is purged out! Keep sinning all you like until God gets tired and delivers you right? Don't try to be holy right? Get so sick in your sins till you die in them just like Judas Iscariot a vessel made for dishonour. NO THANK YOU! Lord have mercy on me and on those who also pray not to be in the second death!
Kat, you made some very scriptural valid points.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Ciy
my post is right behind your post explaining to Kat in greater length what you mean.
I have posted in response to what you wrote.
I see now that what you wrote is not what you mean. Of course non can do anything without Christ and only Christ is good who is in us. For me this does not mean that we should not run our race or work out our salvation in awe of God's Sovereignty but on the contrary, in astute awareness of it.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
ciy:
Arcturus, I am glad I am able to be somewhat understood. I really do not believe that anything I said is not backed by scripture. God does use evil to bring about good. I hope I do not offend.
I believe if we will really meditate, ponder those verses I selected in my first post we
continue in a better understanding.
CIY
PS -Darren I agree with you.
Deborah-Leigh:
Ciy
Turning the other cheek is when evil is done to you not when you are DOING THE EVIL! There is a huge difference as far as East is to the West!
God will not turn the evil you or I do to good. He will correct, discipline and punnish, straighten out and put right what is evil and His Consuming fire will do this on all those who believe that God uses evil! God does not USE evil. Man uses evil. God is all good all pure and there is no evil in Him. He created evil so that we can grow up through much pain and suffering that evil produces in our lives. God produces all that is good and wholesome in our lives.
This is what I see and I do understand that there are others who will disagree, dispute and try to convince me of otherwise. I will not be swayed and I believe neither will you. So be it!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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