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Who is my brother? NO REALLY
Deborah-Leigh:
~God CREATED evil. HE SENDS delusion. HE sends lying spirits to deceive. God TEMPTS no one.
God is RESPONSIBLE for EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Men are ACCOUNTABLE and shall render account to God
Man is Spiritually weak. God is NOT Spiritually weak.
God is Supreme. God SENDS EVIL and EVIL obeys. God orders evil to be evil and evil obeys perfectly.
God CREATES evil for the purpose of creating man into His own image. God did not make man to be evil He made evil to make man into HIS image that is RESPONSIBLE. Man is not RESPONSIBLE. Man is ACCOUNTABLE and through Gods purpose for CREATING evil man is learning to become more like God who is RESPONSIBLE.
God will straighten everything out in the end. Gods purpose is only GOOD!
I still do not see why Jesus is the serpent. the only serpent I know of is the one that appears in Genesis and grows up into the Dragon in Revelations! We know what happens to the Dragon especially if we have have been a voracious reader of the bible for about 7 years and of Ray's teachings for 2 years. :D
The only connection to the serpent is the one in the OT that was put on a pole that foreshadows the Crucifixion wherein Col 2 : 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Still can not see that the Serpent is Christ or ever was though ??? :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi ciy,
This is from your first post;
--- Quote ---Do not stop fighting the good fight for that next precept or line. Do whatever is on your heart to do. If you physically restrain a deep, ugly desire and are abel to keep it down even though it is still there then you are deceived and will die in your sins. You must not resist evil but let evil do it's job. God made it all good for his good will and his plan. Until you stop trying outwardly to love a mate that you do not like but you carnally disguise it the rest of your life, you build yourself up and take your eyes off of the only true way to love her. Christ in you. The only way for evil to kill off the flesh is for you to delight yourself in the Lord and then always act out the desire of your heart until it is purged out and no longer a desire.
--- End quote ---
It is in your first post that I am having trouble seeing what you mean, because we are striving to live as Christ lived.
1Peter 2:21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His steps.
It sounds like you are saying that we should not restrain ourselves from a desire, but go "act out the desire" and comment the sin and let the correction purge us ???
The scripture to not resist evil is directed towards how we treat others.
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.
v. 18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.
v. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
v. 20 No, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head."
v. 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
I think that when Christ spirit comes in to us, we no longer live according to the flesh, through the power of the spirit in us.
Rom 7:5 While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
v. 6 But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
Eph 2:1 And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins
v. 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.
This is another of your posts;
--- Quote ---As long as we cling to the law and try to do it in our flesh, we will build up our flesh no matter what we think.
--- End quote ---
Surely those who have Christ, realize it is all of the spirit. We do keep the law, but to a much greater degree than the letter. Back to my first scripture, we are to follow Christ's example.
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
I just feel like some of the things you were saying should be more directed toward the church, than the believers here.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Arcturus, my sister in Christ.
I agree with you 100%! :)
You wrote:
God is RESPONSIBLE for EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Men are ACCOUNTABLE and shall render account to God
Man is Spiritually weak. God is NOT Spiritually weak.
God is Supreme. God SENDS EVIL and EVIL obeys. God orders evil to be evil and evil obeys perfectly.
God CREATES evil for the purpose of creating man into His own image. God did not make man to be evil He made evil to make man into HIS image that is RESPONSIBLE. Man is not RESPONSIBLE. Man is ACCOUNTABLE and through Gods purpose for CREATING evil man is learning to become more like God who is RESPONSIBLE.
God will straighten everything out in the end. Gods purpose is only GOOD!
Yet you also said previously in this thread : "I see nothing good in evil..." Even though by your own words, you state quite correctly that God indeed does use evil for the purpose of creating man into his own image. Is this not a GOOD thing. How can it be NOT? ???
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Then you said: "Only God is good. God does not dwell in evil. I stand by what I have said. "
God does not dwell in evil! :( He created it. God does not dwell in ANYTHING, for everything is in him. Our God is second to nothing. :)
Just because man can not see or understand God's ultimate purpose behind the evil in this world, certainly does not mean that it is being used for our good.
I truly hope that you can see this my sister. I truly do. :)
May God continue to grant his Spirit of truth and understanding to us all.
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
YellowStone:
Kat, you wrote:
It sounds like you are saying that we should not restrain ourselves from a desire, but go "act out the desire" and comment the sin and let the correction purge us.
Perhaps I can help you understand the deeper meaning that I read in CIY's post.
We should not have to RESIST sin, while ever we resist we are subject to. Satan wants us to resist; it's like a tug of war, he pulls a little, you pull a little harder, so on, so on. He will win, because the carnal man is no match for Satan. I mentioned this a week or two ago, WE CANNOT beat Satan at his own game.
God does not want us to, and neither does he expect it. Let me pose a question do you. DO you think Jesus resisted Satan in the desert, or do you think Jesus barely tolerated him. Very big difference, for certainly he was not subject to him.
This is what CIY meant. We should strive for spiritual maturity by not be carnally prideful of the sin that we resisted, but rather thankful and gracious for the sin that was NOT for a moment a thought or desire. The strong shield of faith will cause this to happen.
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
CIY never said we should divulge in sin, rather we should recognize the spiritual message behind the sin and learn from it. While ever we are so tied up resisting evil carnally, we are in fact resisting God.
Does that make sense to you.
Love to you Kat from a fellow brother in Christ,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
I think the stumbling block that is emerging is in how the word use is compared to CREATE. To USE is not the same as to CREATE or to SEND as God does send deceiving Spirits to lie and He sends evil to humble us. He created evil for His purpose but using evil to me implies association and connection! In this sense I reject any such inference.
For me it is beneath God to USE EVIL. God does not use evil He CREATED it to obey HIM and His purpose and that plan in which evil is "good" is to create man into HIS image. I see God as Sovereign, responsible and man as accountable and irresponsible until through the experience of evil that God created, man comes to God, cries to God and recognises God as God, Sovereign, All Powerful, All wise and All loving. I think God creates and sends evil. In this way He authorises and instructs evil to His Plan and Purpose which for me is far higher than the act of "using" rather than directing and instructing.
I think I am seeing the tree of life and not the tree of good and evil and for this reason also I do not think that God has to use anything or any created thing to achieve His purpose. ~This might appears a contradiction but more than this I do not know how to explain.
What God creates works to achieve Gods purpose and plan. There is no need for God to use anything or anyone. As you say Darren, God is second to nothing and no one.
While it is correct to say God does not dwell in anyTHING....
1 Cor 6 : 19 Do you not know that your body is the temple, the very sanctuary of the Holy Spirit Who lives within you?
Of course you know! :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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