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Did Christ sweat blood?
Bill:
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on April 11, 2007, 06:19:45 PM ---Earliest reliable manuscripts do not contain these passages in the Third Gospel. Not that it didn't happen per se, just that it was likely not written into the Gospel until much, much, much later.
Peace
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Hi Pax,
I am assuming you are referring to Luk 22:44?
How do you come to this conclusion?
Thanks
hillsbororiver:
It is incredible how sometimes things weave together through different threads to underline certain truths, I am sure we all have unique perspectives in regard to this phenomena, for me this verse/thread is underlining the humanity of Jesus and the intensity of His suffering, both mental and physical.
In the thread http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=4045.0 (Brother Job) I quoted much of Job 10, in verse 4 we have this;
Job 10:4 Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth?
Here I believe we have Job's question (and everyone's question at some time or other) does the Lord really know what we are going through? Does God truly understand our trials, pain, frustration, fear, despair, etc.?
Talk about stress;
A thorough search of the medical literature demonstrates that such a condition, while admittedly rare, does occur in humans. Commonly referred to as hematidrosis or hemohidrosis (Allen, 1967, pp. 745-747), this condition results in the excretion of blood or blood pigment in the sweat. Under conditions of great emotional stress, tiny capillaries in the sweat glands can rupture (Lumpkin, 1978), thus mixing blood with perspiration. This condition has been reported in extreme instances of stress (see Sutton, 1956, pp. 1393-1394). During the waning years of the twentieth century, 76 cases of hematidrosis were studied and classified into categories according to causative factors: “Acute fear and intense mental contemplation were found to be the most frequent inciting causes” (Holoubek and Holoubek, 1996). While the extent of blood loss generally is minimal, hematidrosis also results in the skin becoming extremely tender and fragile (Barbet, 1953, pp. 74-75; Lumpkin, 1978), which would have made Christ’s pending physical insults even more painful.
His Peace to you,
Joe
PS You are welcome Bill! ;)
Pax Vobiscum:
Yes. I am sorry for my brief (read: incomplete) note. I can look up the references if you wish, but my recollection is that the sweating of blood (bleeding of sweat?) was not recorded earlier than the Latin Vulgate. Since many translations used the Vulgate as their primary source, the entries continued.
Earlier reliable texts do not contain this reference.
Again, I am not at home (where my library is) and this is all from recollection from classes long ago and far away.
Peace
Pax Vobiscum:
...But since I am at work, here is a citation for those of you who want more on this condition...
Peace
Title: Blood, sweat and fear - ''A classification of hematidrosis''
Author(s): Holoubek JE, Holoubek AB
Source: JOURNAL OF MEDICINE 27 (3-4): 115-133 1996
Document Type: Review
Language: English
Cited References: 53 Times Cited: 0
Abstract: In order to verify the accuracy of the commonly used statement, ''I sweat blood,'' a survey of the literature in the subject of hematidrosis was made. Seventy-six cases were studied and classified into categories according to the causative factor. These were, component of systemic disease, vicarious menstruation, excessive exertion, psychogenic, and unknown. The psychogenic were further subdivided into those that occurred only one time, those that recurred and the stigmatics. Acute fear and intense mental contemplation were found to be the most frequent inciting causes. Hematidrosis is an extremely rare clinical phenomenon with only few instances reported to have occurred within the twentieth century.
Author Keywords: bloody sweat; hematidrosis; menstruation; stigmata; vicarious
Addresses: LOUISIANA STATE UNIV, SCH MED, SHREVEPORT, LA USA
Publisher: P J D PUBLICATIONS LTD, PO BOX 966, WESTBURY, NY 11590
Subject Category: Medicine, Research & Experimental
IDS Number: VZ030
ISSN: 0025-7850
Bill:
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on April 11, 2007, 07:23:44 PM ---I can look up the references if you wish, but my recollection is that the sweating of blood (bleeding of sweat?) was not recorded earlier than the Latin Vulgate. Since many translations used the Vulgate as their primary source, the entries continued.
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Hi Pax,
If you would not mind I would be interested in hearing more one this. When you have the time of course.
If it is true that you feel it was added and is not scripture why do you feel it was added?
Thanks
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