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Did Christ sweat blood?
YellowStone:
Kat,
My dear sister you have outlined it perfectly. Jesus was a MAN, a perfect man but still a man.
Who could possibly know what agony he experienced, for we can only imagine but are yet clueless because surely our senses have been numbed due the sin in us. The same sin that he was without.
It matters little if Jesus while praying sweated blood or sweat tainted with blood or if the only used it figuratively, but as others have mentioned and Joe shown, this phenonoman is not unknown.
The real question is whether or not the understanding of this passage (luke 22:44) distracts from the real message and Kat you pointed out the focul point perfectly. "He was in agony, because He knew what He was going to endure. "
Whether or not his sweat contained blood is irelevant to the true message. Perhaps his agony was also fueled by the knowlede that even with his ministry and the years spent teaching his disciples, they still didn't get it and 2000 years later, there are only a few more that do. (not saying that I am one of them) :)
Thanks Kat :)
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
Bill:
--- Quote from: Kat on April 12, 2007, 10:48:53 AM ---
Luke 22:44 and, coming to be in an agony, more intensely, was he praying; and his perspiration became, as if great drops of blood, falling upon the ground.
In my opinion, it is the first part of this verse that brings some understanding.
He was in agony, because He knew what He was going to endure. Not only was He aware of this means of execution, but as God of the OT He had first hand knowledge of it.
Now some might would think that as God in flesh, He could just spiritually raise above this suffering on the cross. But this strongly indicates he could not, He was in 'agony' over what He was physically going to endure. He was going to feel the pain and suffer to the extent that He was going to die from it, just like any man would. Nobody could say, sure He died but He was God, so it was different.
So I am looking at how this shows His distress and the humanity of our Lord, at this grave point in His soon to end life on earth.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Hi Kat,
I agree with what you have said and I think most of Christianity would also agree. But one thing I have learned from reading much of Rays work is that there is usually multiple layers to what is written. Most people will just look at what is physically written and over look the spiritual side. This is something I have and still am struggling with, which is seeing the deeper meaning in some things in the scriptures. So if we try to look at this at a deep spiritual level is there a deeper meaning to Luke 22:44. To be honest I do not know and perhaps I am try to dig to deep where there is not anything there.
God Bless
Bill
Kat:
Hi Bill,
I think you are right about there being "multiple layers" to the scripture. Many only can see the physical now, but when your eyes are opened you do begin to see beyond the physical to the spiritual. And even with the understanding of the spiritual, I think you continue to see it to a deeper and deeper degree.
I will say I am still at the spiritual level where I have to be shown most all of these spiritual truths.
It's like reading Ray articles, the first time I read it I gain a lot I didn't know, the next time I see things I didn't see the first time, and this continues with every reading.
But even when shown these profound truths most still do not see it, so I feel quite blessed.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Brett:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 12, 2007, 02:34:44 AM ---From the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer the word AS-IF is found in 20 different verses in the NT.
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Hi Arcturus,
Yes, I see 'as if', too. But I do not understand what is mean 'as if'? Is that mean, 'whether' or 'either'? Maybe I said 'Like' could be not right :-\.
Thank you,
Brett
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Brett
I think that AS-IF means as you say..."like" and my post simply was to add to what you observed too!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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