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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
Evan600:
--- Quote from: rocky on May 27, 2007, 05:44:12 PM ---I just want to take time to thank the moderators and all who have participated on this thread for bearing with me as I ask questions and outline the things I'm going through to understand God's awesome plan.
I have often been worried of stepping over the line here at this forum by bringing in my thoughts and questions; but I believe this thread is a good example of how we can explore without being reprimanded. Thank you all.
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I also have to agree with you. I too am sometimes concerned about stepping over the line.
If anyone has felt that I went over the line, I apologize. I know how I can be sometimes. We are all brothers and sisters here, and I know that we all share a love for the truth.
Thanks everyone!
with love,
Jason
Kat:
Well, I guess this is not going to be something that is made clear to us yet.
It is my opinion that I Cor. is speaking to the brothers/elect and that is who Paul says will inherit incorruption in the kingdom.
1Co 15:50 And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Paul also speaks of running a race, and that only those who win receive an incorruptible crown.
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those running in a race all run, but one receives the prize? So run, that you may obtain.
v. 25 And everyone who strives for the mastery is temperate in all things. Then those truly that they may receive a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible.
Here in Romans Paul tell about God's judgment and every man must give account. There are those that recieve immortality/incorruption, and those that receive wrath and fury.
Rom 2:5 But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
v. 6 For he will render to every man according to his works:
v. 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
v. 8 but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.
Here in Eze. I think it is speaking of the resurrection of the dead. It says nothing here about an incorruptible body, but appears to be raised to flesh.
Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley; it was full of bones.
v. 2 And he led me round among them; and behold, there were very many upon the valley; and lo, they were very dry.
v. 3 And he said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, thou knowest."
v. 4 Again he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
v. 5 Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.
v. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the LORD."
v. 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone.
v. 8 And as I looked, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them; but there was no breath in them.
v. 9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."
v. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great host.
v. 11 Then he said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off.'
v. 12 Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people; and I will bring you home into the land of Israel.
v. 13 And you shall know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people.
v. 14 And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I have done it, says the LORD."
I am not trying to fit this to what I believe or what anybody else believes, but what is in the scripture. I am ready to change whatever I think to get inline with what the scripture says.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---For me, i struggle with the dead raised again into flesh bodies; because then they would have to die again (in the flesh), and be resurrected again (third resurrection) to become a spiritual body.
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Hi Rocky,
I don't know if this has been addressed already as I have not had the time to read this entire thread (it's so long!!), but I wanted to add this before I forget. If the wicked are being resurrected into physical bodies, I do see how it is possible that they would not have to die again and be resurrected again into a spiritual body because of this scripture:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 ESV
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye...
There are those who will not be dead when Christ returns and they are "changed" on the spot....so my reasoning is that God is able to accomplish this with the wicked after they've been resurrected into physical flesh again, gone through the process of refinement and then changed to spiritual. The wicked need to "die" to their carnal self, but I don't think this means that they physically need to die and be buried and then raised through resurrection...they can simply be "changed" by the limitless power of God. That's how I would understand it, that is. ;)
Great stuff brought out in this thread, I need to find the time to go through it in detail!
Peace,
Diana
rocky:
--- Quote from: skydreamers on May 28, 2007, 03:05:54 PM ---
--- Quote ---For me, i struggle with the dead raised again into flesh bodies; because then they would have to die again (in the flesh), and be resurrected again (third resurrection) to become a spiritual body.
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Hi Rocky,
I don't know if this has been addressed already as I have not had the time to read this entire thread (it's so long!!), but I wanted to add this before I forget. If the wicked are being resurrected into physical bodies, I do see how it is possible that they would not have to die again and be resurrected again into a spiritual body because of this scripture:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 ESV
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye...
There are those who will not be dead when Christ returns and they are "changed" on the spot....so my reasoning is that God is able to accomplish this with the wicked after they've been resurrected into physical flesh again, gone through the process of refinement and then changed to spiritual. The wicked need to "die" to their carnal self, but I don't think this means that they physically need to die and be buried and then raised through resurrection...they can simply be "changed" by the limitless power of God. That's how I would understand it, that is. ;)
Great stuff brought out in this thread, I need to find the time to go through it in detail!
Peace,
Diana
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Hi Diana, the way i see it is at the twinkling of an eye, when those alive are changed, is at the resurrection. So if those people who are made physically alive again (resurrected to judgment) are made alive (spirit) in the twinkling of an eye, by the power of God, then they would be resurrected again. I don't see where there is two resurrections for the non elect (in scripture). Unless, we can assume that "second death", means death of death, which is really LIFE, which is the same as resurrection?? hmm, what ya think?
gmik:
The death of death is Life....I love that!
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but at the conference a sweet sister from K'zoo told me that the splitting of the tares/wheat, wolves/sheep, whatever good/evil thing its saying., is this....in US. Separating the tares and wheat in us!!
Whew!! I probably had read it on BT but it didn't hit me till then.
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