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seminole:
So I was reading in the e-mails to Ray. I saw "free will" and read through it. There was a lot of info. in the e-mails section. I noticed in one of them that Ray told a person they wouldn't care about t.v. preachers or evil persons until they repented. No free will but you have to repent? Makes no sense to me. If you have to repent that implies a choice of repent or not to repent. A decision that is squarely on the shoulders of ourselves.

Craig:

--- Quote from: seminole on May 08, 2007, 02:50:42 PM ---If you have to repent that implies a choice of repent or not to repent. A decision that is squarely on the shoulders of ourselves.

--- End quote ---

Sure you have to choose, and we all do/will make these choices everyday, it is just that the choice is not free of outside influences or causes.  It is a tough concept, that I still struggle with.   But it is so nice to finally, really believe, that God is 100% in control.

Craig

hillsbororiver:
Here is an example of what Craig alluded to, you are walking to the store and a man brandishing a gun grabs you and says "give me your cash or I will shoot you and take it anyway" now if you had totally true free will you would;

1 disappear
2 turn his gun into a peanut butter sandwich
3 go back in time and decide not to go back out
4 become bullet proof
5 etc. (infinite amount of choices if we were "free" to choose anything at all within our imagination) you get my drift?

In the real world where we cannot do any of the things above we are restricted to a caused choice;

1 Give up the money
2 Attempt to disarm him (perhaps suffering dire consequences)
3 Use your own gun on him (if through a series of other circumstances you are armed at the time)

If we had "free will" who would will themself to be forced into this situation? So you see we have a limited amount of choices due to these circumstances, who is the only One who has the power to choreograph the circumstances?

This business of "free will" is even debated in the secular scientific community and many have determined the very limited freedom of choice we have is within a small subset of the circumstances we are surrounded by.

In Physical Science;
 
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19025504.000-free-will--you-only-think-you-have-it.html

In Psychiatry;

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1983/jan-feb/hunter.html

In Biology;

http://www.santafe.edu/events/abstract/55

Of course the scripture is the best source and Ray uses plenty in his article(s) on the subject;

http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html

His Peace to you,

Joe

gmik:
Great Joe, thanks!

YellowStone:
Does this work?  ::)

God's will is free; he thinks, say's and it happens according to his plan or will.

My will is not free, I think, plan and say and 'maybe' something might happen according to my will (see this post)

Yet, did I truly will it? Was I not typing? Oops! How can I will it if I have to do it? Okay, let's see, its 4:17pm I am going to WILL the next sentence!

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