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jackson:
Just thought I'd share something I heard this weekend that really shocked me. :o

I was in a Presbyterian church Sunday (long story) where I heard the pastor teach one of the most heretical sermons I've ever heard.  What was even more supprising was as I looked around the congrigation there was no one else even remotely bothered by his assertions. I thought at first that "surely I heard him wrong", but as he continued it was affirmed that my ears were working quite well(apparently much better than everyone else's).

He began by talking about the time Jesus healed the lame man by the pool (John 5:1-15) and it was all rainbows and butterflies until he said that "we needed to come to an understanding with God about our salvation...that a compromise had to take place".  What ???!?  And here all this time I thought it was God alone who chose the who, when and where of salvation.  Just imagine my suprise to learn how wrong I was ::).

But wait, that's not all, he went from subtle heresy to blatent blasphemy. He continued by saying,"there were times that Jesus was POWERLESS to help because the people DID NOT WANT His help".  He said that he could back this up with Scripture but failed to give chapter and verse.  Well I was floored by this.  Even with all the faults of the church in mind I still assumed they believed in God's total sovereignty.  Guess I was wrong again (second time in one day :D).

After the sevice I spoke to some of my friends that were there about what was said.  They either seemed to have no idea what I was talking about or avoided the subject like the plague.  This made me very sad:'(.  So many lost sheep, so many false teachings.  I certainly don't have all the answers(I don't even know all the questions) but I do know that what I heard Sunday was wrong and irresponsible.

In His Grace,
Jackson

YellowStone:
Jackson,

A very sad but inspiring story, just the same.

Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  

What was Christ refering to here? Truth or Fallacy? :)

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 

Like I said earlier, the chasm between truth and deception is getting wider and wider everyday. :)

Mat 13:16  But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Great post,

Love in Christ,
Darren

hillsbororiver:
When Jesus returned to His hometown He uttered these Words in regard to the unbelief He encountered. Although I believe this preacher you speak of overstated what transpired there was a small semblence of the reality.

Mat 13:54  And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
 
Mat 13:55  Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon and Judas?
 
Mat 13:56  And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
 
Mat 13:57  And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country, and in his own house.
 
Mat 13:58  And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

But He was hardly "powerless."

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

YellowStone:
Joe, great response. :)

It's really something when their blindness prevents them from seeing and understanding simple words. Words that a 4th grader could understand with ease.  :D

I at least find this amusing....is that wrong?  ::)

Your brother in Christ,
Darren

jackson:
Joe, thanks for the info.  I see now where he was coming from.  It doesn't make him any less wrong though.

Jesus did few miracles in his hometown "because of their unbelief".  This everyone agrees upon.  But why?  Certainly the peoples unbelief was not more powerful than Jesus's divenity.  No, me thinks what the preacher failed to understand was that the same Hand that does miracles also passes out the unbelief.  It may be otherwise stated that Jesus refused to do many miracles in His hometown because He had predetermined to harden the peoples hearts.

That smells pretty powerful to me.

In His Grace,
Jackson

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