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YellowStone:
Oh Kent, I wouldn't quite go that far. :)
The family is not dead and I know of no family that is; mine is flourishing.
My son and his girlfriend just graduated from highschool. This school believes in prayer every day and community work to help the needy.
Technology has not destroyed the world and neither is it destroying it; rather it is the lack of parental supervision / control on kids who really need it. Which kid doesn't. :)
Mostly the cause for the degradation of society is the people and their greed, more, more, more. Whatever it takes. Their have been so many advances in technology for the good of the world. Kind of like the old adage, guns don't kill people, people kill people. :)
However, you do make a valid point. Social reengineering is having a detrimental effect on how we see ourselves. How come almost 1/3 rd of shows on TV feature gays, this is totally disproportionate to reality. How come 90% of TV stars are gorgeous and have more "say" than anyone else. Why too, are we always told that x% this and y% that believe....when no one asked me or anyone I know. Why is this happeneing, because we the people let it.
This has always been a big concern of mine. Are we to sit back silently and shake our heads, mumbling....Christ, please come quick. What does the following truly mean?
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Does it mean stand with our eyes closed? Or does it mean stand for the truth, and not let others take it away or bury it.
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Surely, upon quenching these fiery darts, we can sow seeds of truth. We cannot make them grow, for God alone does that. I have always struggled with this. How strong is my faith if I ignore? If I say and do nothing, am I therefore the same as the unfaithful servant who buried what was given him? All good questions.
Yet, Kent, do you really believe that soceity is behaving outside of God's will / control?
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
All of what is happening in this world is for our instruction and benefit. Do not think for a moment that all is as we are told. For I know of know one who has given up on the family. God is working all to his will.
I hope this does not offend :)
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Darren your questions (italics) my observations (blue) :
Is the now "time" really more wicked than ever before,
Yes it is. Scriptures confirm it. Each era is more vile, subtle, sophisticated in debauchery and more vehemently violent than the next. The glossy heroics cover a multitude of sins. The paralysis of the conscience spawns higher and higher levels of lawlessness and corruption dressed up as social finesse, fashion, culture and art that is more wide spread through media technologies than ever before.
or is it our perception or rather reality changing due to our spiritual eyes.
There is more blindness today than ever. The population is greater than ever before and the ratio to spiritual decay is greater. This is again confirmed in the Scriptures.
Are we now seeing and paying greater attention to the world around us? Not purposely, rather on the contrary, for now we see the "world" for what it truly is.
Understanding comes only from the Spirit of God. FEW are chosen in any generation and that number does not increase to MANY in any generation. It is book ended and as final as God does not change and He is the SAME.
Seems to me the world was pretty wicked in the time of Sodom and Gomorrah
Check the scriptures. Jesus said : Matt 11 : 23 And you Capernaum, are you to be lifted up to heaven: You shall be brought down to Hades, the region of the dead! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in SODOM, it (SODOM) would have continued until today. Why? Because Capernaum had exceeded the wickedness of Sodom and Sodom would have responded to the works of Christ and repented and endured! So which way is the graph showing evil is going? Up or down. According to the Scriptures evil was advancing exponentially till this day. Paul "saw" it coming and cried and Jesus said it.
Luke 18:8...when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?
This Word from Jesus with the teaching and explanation is in the LOF series wherein Ray points out that the question Jesus poses is revealed as indicating that the answer is in the negative not the positive. In other words there will be VERY FEW who are faithful and found to be so when Christ returns.
I would like to ask you about South Africa, for I am clueless. How would you rate society in general. Are you guys being kind of led down a slippery slope but being told differently? What about the quality of TV shows, music ect.
It is like in SA like it is all over the world. There is no haven on earth without Christ who is the true refuge.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
blakparty:
Van Impe has been claiming the world will end every 4-5 years for the last 20 years.
Craig, you are sure right. But my thing is, if the world don't have the mind of Christ, how in the world can they even come close to knowing any such codes that are in the Scripture. I thought everything in the Scriptures was spiritual. They can't even see that they will be saved , or God is going to judge them, or anything of the sort.
Kent:
--- Quote ---Yet, Kent, do you really believe that soceity is behaving outside of God's will / control?
--- End quote ---
No.
But I am not going to let myself be used as a punching bag either ;). I am not a friend of this world system, so by default I am it's enemy. I'll welcome any and every person into the fold, that God brings into it. But until that happens I see no point in trying to be friends with them. Be nice, kind, etc. OK, but they wont get too close, because I'd rather be alone than unequally yoked.
I am not offended, bro ;D
I, on the other hand, can be rather blunt, forgetting that in this setting people cant read my tone of voice, etc. So, please take this into account. I mean no offense to anyone at any time.
Peace
K
YellowStone:
Arcturus - My commets to yours in brown P
Darren your questions (italics) my observations (blue) :
Is the now "time" really more wicked than ever before,
Yes it is. Scriptures confirm it. Each era is more vile, subtle, sophisticated in debauchery and more vehemently violent than the next. The glossy heroics cover a multitude of sins. The paralysis of the conscience spawns higher and higher levels of lawlessness and corruption dressed up as social finesse, fashion, culture and art that is more wide spread through media technologies than ever before.
If a sin is a sin is a sin, then is the world more wicked today than yesterday in the eys of God, or the eye of man. I ask this in all truth and honesty, for:
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?[/color]
or is it our perception or rather reality changing due to our spiritual eyes.
There is more blindness today than ever. The population is greater than ever before and the ratio to spiritual decay is greater. This is again confirmed in the Scriptures.
No man can be blinder than blind. No man can see the truth until it is given him to see. Praise be to God. :)
When I said "our" I was speaking of those who can see, not of the blind world. :) Sorry for the confusion.
Are we now seeing and paying greater attention to the world around us? Not purposely, rather on the contrary, for now we see the "world" for what it truly is.
Understanding comes only from the Spirit of God. FEW are chosen in any generation and that number does not increase to MANY in any generation. It is book ended and as final as God does not change and He is the SAME.
Ditto, for surely those who can see through the Spirit can now see the world as others fail to see.
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Is the world MORE evil today than yesterday? Is not evil, evil in the eys of God just like a sin is a sin, for no man is perfect. God does not change in intensity, I do not think evil changes in his eyes either. Only in the eys of the world and those so equipped to see. That included the spiritually enlightened. :)
Does that make sense?
Seems to me the world was pretty wicked in the time of Sodom and Gomorrah
Check the scriptures. Jesus said : Matt 11 : 23 And you Capernaum, are you to be lifted up to heaven: You shall be brought down to Hades, the region of the dead! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in SODOM, it (SODOM) would have continued until today. Why? Because Capernaum had exceeded the wickedness of Sodom and Sodom would have responded to the works of Christ and repented and endured! So which way is the graph showing evil is going? Up or down. According to the Scriptures evil was advancing exponentially till this day. Paul "saw" it coming and cried and Jesus said it.
Luke 18:8...when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?
This Word from Jesus with the teaching and explanation is in the LOF series wherein Ray points out that the question Jesus poses is revealed as indicating that the answer is in the negative not the positive. In other words there will be VERY FEW who are faithful and found to be so when Christ returns.
Was there ever faith to be found on the Earth. Could the argument stand that even Christ's "faithful" followers faltered at given times, even during his trial and crucification.
The world was evil in the age of Paul. I do not believe God uses evil quantitatively but rather qualitatively, there is a subtle difference.
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
I do not believe, nor do I believe that you do either :) that the world is "falling" of it's own accord, for:
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
God is the master potter and we are the clay. :) I think you would agree. :)
I would like to ask you about South Africa, for I am clueless. How would you rate society in general. Are you guys being kind of led down a slippery slope but being told differently? What about the quality of TV shows, music ect.
It is like in SA like it is all over the world. There is no haven on earth without Christ who is the true refuge.
True, but I was interested in your thoughts of the physical changes, the ones you experience on a day to day basis. If you do not want to share then that is fine. :)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Thank you so much Arcturus for a wonderful discussion. My only additional comment is that I can see the world like I could never see it before. I see hope and I see sadness; I see love yet I see fear. Before, I just saw ME! :(
Love to you in Christ,
Your brother,
Darren
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