You guys aren't considering that King James actually made the King James Bible right?
Matt
Hi Matt,
I don't believe anybody does. Do you rememeber that movie, TROY? Achilles (Brad Pitt) stands before the king, after the beach of Troy was taken, and although Achilles' men took it, the king himself claimed victory, because it's the king's name that lives on, not Achilles'.
Brett,
Regarding the old word "
hell". Kat laid out the amount of times that this word "
hell" was translated in the KJV. You'll be pleasantly surprised to check out any and all translations that you can find, and hardly
any of them have the same amount of "
hells" in either the OT or NT. That confirms suspicion regarding this word "
hell", and confirms what we learn here on BT. If "hell" was such a sure-fire name (
'scuse the pun), surely all translations would have been in agreement where to use it. Take a name like "Moses" - do translations disagree?
Here's something else I found, out of interest. If this word "
hell" is regarded as about 400 years old, and branching of from the word "
helan", where did it come from, to say "
hell"? Well, throughout my studies, I came upon Norse Mythology, well-over 400 years old, and in this pagan mythology was a god by the name of
Loki. Aparantly he was made of fire. Now this Loki character had a daughter, the goddess of
torment and
punishment - guess what her name was? Her name was
Hel...
She, Hel, was ruler of the place with her same name, Hel. Here's what Wikipedia says regarding the realm of Hel, in Norse Mythology...
Wikipedia - Hel (Realm)
In Norse mythology, the realm Hel[1] shares a name with its ruler, Hel. As described in Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda it is a place thronged with the shivering and shadowy spectres of those who have died ingloriously of disease or in old age. Hel is also home to dishonourable people who have broken oaths... ...Hel is said to be a hall with a roof woven from the spines of serpents which drip poison down onto those who wade in the rivers of blood below. The people who dwell in the halls are given nothing but goat's urine to quench their thirst... ...It is similar to Hades and the River Styx from Greek mythology. The name Hel comes from the same Proto-Germanic source as the English word hell...
Wikipedia - Hades
...Early church fathers defended this view of the afterlife against the view that the soul went immediately to heaven or to hell after the death of the body[4]... ...In mainstream Western Christianity, however, it has largely been replaced by the concept of the soul going straight to hell, heaven, or (in Roman Catholicism) purgatory...
The word "
hell" and the "
eternal punishment" smells of paganism. Under '
Universalism' on Wikipedia they had the following to say...
Wikipedia - Universalism
In Christianity, Universalism refers to the belief that all humans will be saved from eternal damnation or annihilation in hell. A related doctrine, apokatastasis, is the belief that all mortal beings will be reconciled to God, including Satan and his fallen angels. Universalism was a fairly commonly held view among theologians in early Christianity. The two major theologians opposing it were Tertullian and Augustine. In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six known theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Cesarea, and Edessa or Nisibis) were universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality, and one (Carthage or Rome) taught the endless punishment of the lost.[1] In later centuries, universalism has become very much a minority position in the major branches of Christianity, though it has a long history of prominent adherents.
Guys, this is just for interest sake, coz I don't want to take away, add or change anything that is learnt on BT. Everything boils back to the Egyptians - along the way, every little or big civilization, had it's input...
Walk strong
CDJ :-)