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The Spirit Gives Life
YellowStone:
Arcturus you ask:
Do you mean that the Spirit of Truth entered you without you knowing it like when yet you were still a sinner looking "outside" your self the Spirit of Truth came in and you only found out later?
I have spoken on this before and it was met with a certain amount of disbelief :o
But as you ask, I will say it again. :)
I honestly do not know a time when I was not close to God ie the Spirit of Truth. Even as a child I could always feel if something was not right, I would always question everything and believe nothing that I was told. As my spiritual eyes began to mature, I began to really see the lies, but I could not find the truth. I believed in my heart of hearts (now I know it was the Spirit) that the truth was not complicated, that one did not need a doctrate or place large amounts of money on a plate in order to understand.
So yes :) although, I still see myself as a sinner (who isn't?), my spiritual eyes cleared to the point that I knew that the truth was in me and that I did not need to fully understand it in order for it to be true. The truth felt true, the lies did not. Probably about 10 or so years ago, I stopped looking for the truth with my eyes, and began searching with my heart. This is when my life really began.
And this is why I hold so dearly to the following Scripture.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because I could see God's hand in everything. Even in the bad, I could see and hear God talking; his spirit to my spirit. It was and still is wonderful. I can't remember the exact time I found BT. Wow, finaly I found someone in Ray who spoke the words I knew to be true. Everything that Ray has stated in everyone of his papers I knew to be true, bar two small things. :)
One was Jesus and Jehovah of the OT being the same. Knock me down and pick me up ;D I had never considered that one before, but the instant I heard it, I knew it and I could give a numbe rof reasons why it HAD to be true. The Spirit of Truth within me, cemeneted it instantly.
The other was a little different. I think you and I debated it at the time. It was when Ray said that Adam ate the apple because he wanted to die with his wife, not because of greed. That one took a little longer, and I had to look at the Hebrew text to see it myself. :) Without Ray, I might never have 'got' that one.
I would never ever say that every truth within my reach from day one, on the contrary, I am still learning, being shown things on a daily basis. The journey has been wonderful, and I would not change a thing. :)
Does that make sense :)
Love to you and thanks for asking.
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
gmik:
Diana, I had the questions and little nagging things going on in my journey, but like you, I assumed it must be ME. I haven't studied like THEY have. I don't pray like THEY do. I don't do enough works, I don't have enough love...THEY know more than I do...yada yada...
Thank God he has provided me w/ glasses. I don't know why me and not someone else. Certainly not anything I ever did or didn't do- just his Grace. So I want to have patience w/ those who haven't gotten their glasses yet..there but for the Grace of God go I.....
Deborah-Leigh:
Darren
That is an important point. You observe : I still see myself as a sinner (who isn't?),....We are all still sinners in the sense that we all continue to be weak infirm and are liable to the assaults of temptations. Ref Heb 4:15 or why else would we have need of a High Priest Who is able to understand and have a shared feeling with our weaknessess and infirmities and liability to the asaults of temptation, but One Who has been tempted in every respect as we are, yet without sinning.
I think part of our fellowship is the unity in understanding that we are dependent on Christ for our Deliverance. Not some so called Deliverance methodology as practised in Mystery Babylon. Not that kind of Deliverance BUT the deliverance that comes from judgment and resurrection to reward or to correction. THAT kind of Deliverance. ;D :D
Of course we know and accept that non are born again or saved in this life time. Election is a process of cross carrying for we enter the Kingdom through many troubles.
I think it fits to quote this Scripture.
Mark 4 : 22 Things are hidden temporarily only as a means to revelation. For there is nothing hidden except to be revealed, nor is anything kept secret except in order that it may be made known. 23. If any man has ears to hear, let him be listening and let him perceive and comprehend. (Knowing of course that understanding comes ONLY from HIS SPIRIT because of HIS Sovereignty and that it is HE who chooses who will be HIS Elect and that non can approach or choose HIM unless He chooses us first because He is the Creator and Author and Finisher of our Faith. ! 8) ;D )
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---Diana, I had the questions and little nagging things going on in my journey, but like you, I assumed it must be ME. I haven't studied like THEY have. I don't pray like THEY do. I don't do enough works, I don't have enough love...THEY know more than I do...yada yada...
Thank God he has provided me w/ glasses. I don't know why me and not someone else. Certainly not anything I ever did or didn't do- just his Grace. So I want to have patience w/ those who haven't gotten their glasses yet..there but for the Grace of God go I.....
--- End quote ---
Hi Gena,
Yup, sounds like you and me felt very much the same! To this day I still think, "God, why me? Why did you show me this stuff?" I just keep praying that He will see fit to change me enough inside where I can get to that point where "sin will no longer have dominion over me". Patience, patience, patience....please give me some patience! :)
Peace,
Diana
Kat:
Here is a bit more about the Spirit that gives us life.
When our eyes are opened we are given the Holy Spirit, to give us understanding of the truth.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
By this Spirit we also have Christ indwelling.
Col 1:27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
And the Father is also indwelling.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If a man loves Me, he will keep My Word. And My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
So Jesus and the Father are One and the spirit of God and the spirit of Christ are the same spirit, the Holy Spirit which comes into us.
Here is a part of Ray's article on the trinity, where he explains this.
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html ---------------------
From The Concordant Literal New Testament:
John 14:16-18, "And I shall be asking the Father, and He will be giving you another consoler, that it, indeed, may be with you for the eon--the spirit of truth, which the world can not get, for it is not beholding it, neither is knowing it. Yet you know it, for it is remaining with you and will be in you. I will not leave you bereaved; I am COMING TO YOU."
In this section of Scripture, Philip, Thomas, Peter, and Judas (and possibly all the Apostles) did not quite understand what Christ was teaching them. They especially didn’t understand how that Jesus was going away and that were He was going they could not come, but that it was necessary for Him to go away to His Father, or He could not send them the comforter or consoler.
Jesus was assuredly "the spirit of truth" of which He spoke. And as such Jesus was with the disciples. But now He is telling them that when He leaves them to be with the Father, He will come back to them, only this time He will not just be with them, but He will be IN them! The spirit of truth was with the apostles in the person of Jesus Christ, but He told them that after He left to be with the Father that this same spirit of truth would be in them. This is all done by "spirit," the spirit of God.
Notice verse 26 of John 14:
"Now the consoler, THE HOLY SPIRIT, which the Father will be sending in MY NAME..."
And see how this is done, verse 23:
"If anyone should be loving Me, he will be keeping My word, and My Father will be loving him, and WE shall be coming to him and making OUR abode with him.
This is done through the consoler, the comforter, the spirit of truth, THE HOLY SPIRIT of God! Jesus said He would not leave them "comfortless" (Ver. 18), so for sure Jesus must return to His followers to "comfort" them. This He did and still does by the "spirit of God" which God gave to His son Jesus and which the Father then turns around and gives FROM that very same spirit in Christ TO US! The following Scripture make this plain:
"All things that the Father hath are mine [all things include the holy spirit]: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine [that is, of the spirit that His Father gave to Him], and shall shew it UNTO YOU" (John 16:15).
Everything that God the Father gave to His son Christ Jesus, He is going to GIVE TO US! And this includes being His CHILDREN.
"Now when the full time came, God delegates His Son, come of a woman, come under law, that He should be reclaiming those under law that WE may be getting the place of a SON. Now, seeing that you are SONS, God delegates the spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! FATHER!’ So that you are no longer a slave, but a SON. Now if a SON, an enjoyer also of an allotment from God, through Christ" (Gal. 4:6-7).
God almighty will be the same "Abba FATHER" to us, as He was also "Abba FATHER" to our Lord Jesus Christ (Mark 14:36). Did you catch that it is the "...spirit OF His [the Father’s] Son..." That comes into our hearts. It is NOT the "the holy spirit which is supposedly the third person of the trinity" that comes into our hearts, but Christ’s spirit. The spirit of God and the spirit of Christ are the same spirit and it is THEIR spirit not a third person (God) of a trinity!
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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