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nmendes:
Well, it's just that people tend to esteem him so much.  One has to becareful when putting man up on a pedastal.  It would appear to me that people look at him or revere him almost in a god like manner.  I have seen his crusades on television (especially his early years).  He knows how to captivate an audience.  His words are smooth and he draws people to him.

He is a very distinquished looking man and well respected by quite a lot of people.

But basically what it all boils down to is the teaching of God's word and how it is being taught.

Is it being taught correctly through the scriptures??? Or is it being taught with a veil over one's eyes???

But please don't get me wrong - I respect Mr. Graham as a talented speaker and the uncanny ability to capture his audience's attention.

Peace , Blessings & Love
Nicole.

mari_et_pere:
LOL....I think this verse is my verse of the day, because it fit my last post and it fits this one too.

Mat 5:44  But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Billy Graham isn't trustworthy to someone who knows the truth. 33rd degree Mason or not. Personally I've seen evidence to back that up, but it doesn't matter to me what God's will for his life is. I don't care if he lies, cheats and steals. I don't care what his personal/business motives are. What I do care is that he leads people astray, and that's ashame. Plus that fact that IF, IF he's a 33rd degree Mason, AND he's leading people astray, then that's all planned, folks. 1 + 1 always equals 2. He's a disinformation machine either way, so's his kid, so's his corporation. IMO

Matt

YellowStone:
Hi Matt,

Your words sparked a thought and I thought I would respond.  :)

You wrote:
I don't care what his personal/business motives are. What I do care is that he leads people astray, and that's ashame. Plus that fact that IF, IF he's a 33rd degree Mason, AND he's leading people astray, then that's all planned, folks. 1 + 1 always equals 2.

I think there is more to him leading people away, just as there is more than it being a shame. Likewise, I believe the following words of Paul, hold a deeper meaning than what might first be seen.

Rom 9:20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

We can easily turn this around, but not accusatory but with a truthful mindset and ask God: "What is it that I am to learn from Billy Graham?" Billy Graham is not leading people away, the people are being led away by their own carnal desires, in accordance to God's will. Please never think that Billy Graham or the like has more influence than God. :)

The only shame is that "we" the enlightened, may miss the spiritual significance behind the likes of he.

Perhaps the most important thing is that we thank and praise God for granting us his Spirit of Truth.

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

And plead with him that He never takes it away, because if he does, we will not recieve it back in this life time. I'm not sure about you, but this is a very sobering thought,  :'(

Hebrew 6:4-6 [NIV]
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because [fn2] to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

So in conclusion, Billy Graham cannot direct his own steps, or think in anyway that could change the direction of his life.

Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man [is] not in himself: [it is] not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Mat 6:27  Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?  

As you say, "It's all planned, folks"   :D

Your brother in Christ,
Darren

mari_et_pere:
AH.......you turned that one around on me didn't ya? LOL.......
No but Darren you're right! (I don't know why I forget) God has total control! If it is, it's meant to be. It's all planned, folks. ;D

Matt

Pax Vobiscum:
Perhaps I am just in a mood...

Can we just stop this thread now?  I see nothing that edifies the spirit and see mostly just unsubstantiated claims directed toward one brother -- not his teaching.

Let's raise the bar a bit, OK?

Peace

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