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kudeta:
Darren,
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.
Matthew 10:30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 10:31 So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
I think these verses speak not only to fact of the Sovereignty of God, as Arcturus' quotes from Ray are doing, but also to the question of "how" that you are asking.
The attention to every sparrow on earth and the hairs on every person's head does discuss His control in terms of micromanagement, rather than just the setting up the constraints of natural law. This seems to point directly at the "999,999,999,999,999,999 to the power of 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 interfaces" you asked about.
blessings,
- John
YellowStone:
Hi John,
Please do not think that I do not fully realize that our God knows each of the 1,000,000's of atoms in each grain of sand in the universe. He designed and created them didn't HE? HE also has a purpose for everything, so how could a sparrow fall out of the sky without him knowing? :)
I think we both agree that God willed it in advance. How then could it not fall, does he really have to MAKE it fall. ??? ;)
How come man can design and manufacture an automobile and "know" that as long it is is not abused, that it "will" most likely perform as designed for many years, without the need of the designer sitting in the car, making sure that the pistons fire on time and that the wheels turn at the right speed when the car moves and of cause ensuring that every other part does it's job? This is pure insanity, even to mere human designers. :D
Yet, what am failing to understand, is the push back regarding God being able to do the same; albeit on a much grander scale ::)
Many seem to think that God can create atoms, cells, even hair and know each by name or ID# and yet NOT KNOW that each will perform EXACTLY according to HIS design. God created man so well, that man (carnal) doesn't even realize that he was created. God can do this and you will most likely agree that it is true, yet some still maintain that God cannot design a blade of grass or a strand of hair to wave in the wind, without "making" each cell move, exactly when and where every 1,000th of second of every day. :D
God is after all the Master / Grand / Supreme Designer, is HE not? :)
Oh, there is really no such thing as "constraints of natural law" :) What there is, is constraints imposed by design, God's design.
I hope I did not offend, it is late, so please forgive me if I did :)
In Christ our Saviour,
Darren
mari_et_pere:
This has turned into a fascinating thread! I've been thinking about this type of stuff lately.
--- Quote ---You wrote: I think what you are saying is that perhaps God does not need to micromanage our every movement and thought because He designed us so perfectly that He knows exactly how we will think and act and react constantly.
--- End quote ---
I don't think He micromanages everything we do. Does it really matter to Him if we eat the red M & M or the blue M & M?
--- Quote ---Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.
Matthew 10:30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 10:31 So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
--- End quote ---
God knows the numbers of hairs on my head, but does that mean He controls the hairs on my head? When I step out of the shower does it matter which way it's falling. (Speaking of falling hair, yikes He has the number of MY hairs dwindling!)
I'm not trying to take away from God in any way, shape or form. I just think that maybe some things are microcosmic enough to not need God's hand to guide it. That's not to say He doesn't already know the outcome of the big decision of the blue or red M&M, only that it doesn't matter which one is first.
Am I off base? Did my rambling lose ya? I get lost once in a while. ::)
Matt
pylady:
Hi everyone,
It is interesting to think and wonder about how God carries out His purpose and His will in our lives. But, I think for now it is only conjecture on our part.
Romans11:34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His
counselor?"
Someday He will give us the answer to these questions, and we will all be totally amazed at His wisdom and power. And I know I will probably feel like a fool at how totally ignorant I have been. But meanwhile my mind just goes on and on thinking about these things.
I'm glad to know there are others out there who think about these things too!
Right now I'm waiting anxiously, anxiously, anxiously for news of what was taught at the conference, and to hear everyone arrived home safely.
Everyone have a good day.
With Christian love,
Cindy
mari_et_pere:
Indeed it is just conjecture on our parts. In fact, it really doesn't matter. All that really matters is that we know He's in control and His will is what will play out in our lives. I can picture after all is said and done, and we're in His presence, we won't even be able to think! We'll be so amazed at how magnificent He is, and how much He knows (He knows all ya know) and we'll just be blown away, utterly speachless, terrified at his glory. We can't even imagine how it will be. How stupid and small will I feel (and be) in His presence?
Matt
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