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God made a mistake?
YellowStone:
Thanks Craig,
Sounds reasonable and truthful to me :)
Love to you in Christ,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Craig,
This email of Ray's though not about Gen. 6:6, it is about God wanting to destroy the Israelite and Moses 'changed His mind.' So it is on the same subject.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2124.0.html -------
Exodus:32:10,11,12-14
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> In this passage Moses clearly gets God to change his mind
> about destroying everybody and starting over with Moses. v11-
> but Moses pleaded with the lord his God not to do it. v12-
> Turn away from your fierce anger. Change your mind about this
> terrible disaster you are planning against you people.
>
> V14- So the lord withdrew his treat and didn't bring against
> his people the disaster he had threatened.
Dear Farmer:
So God made a mistake? He thought that He would destroy Israel, but He was wrong? He determined the very best course of action to take with Israel, but it was ill-conceived? He had to relent? He had to back down? He had to be shown true love and righteousness by a carnal minded sinner named Moses? It took His Own creature to show Him the way? Moses had more wisdom than God Almighty? God got frustrated? Moses kept his cool? God lost it? Moses was more mature about the situation and was successful in showing God the error of His way? Do we think that God continues to make such rash and quick-tempered judgments to wipe out whole nations before He thinks things through thoroughly?
"For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been His counsellor?" (Rom. 11:34). Answer? Why MOSES, of course. Moses became God's counsellor and set Him back on the straight and narrow and salvaged a whole nation from the indiscriminate wrath of an uncontrolled God. Not? NOT!!!
How foolish. "God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should REPENT" (Number 23:19). God wanted Moses to come to the rescue of Israel. God SET HIM UP for this very thing. God KNEW that Moses would come to the defense of his people, and this is precisely what God predetermined that Moses would do. God had no intention of destroying Israel at this time.
"So Yahwah showed MERCY [Heb: 'nacham'] concerning the evil which He spoke of doing to His people" (Ex. 32:14, Concordant Literal Old Testament).
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Kat,
I think the following words of Ray are priceless for the truth they contain.
How foolish. "God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that He should REPENT" (Number 23:19). God wanted Moses to come to the rescue of Israel. God SET HIM UP for this very thing. God KNEW that Moses would come to the defense of his people, and this is precisely what God predetermined that Moses would do. God had no intention of destroying Israel at this time.
Thanks for sharing,
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
mari_et_pere:
Craig, you cleared that up pretty good with the childhood cancer analogy, and Kat, Ray's quote that Darren ended up re-quoting cleared it up well too. Thanks guys.
Matt
skydreamers:
I haven't had a chance to listen to the nashville audios yet so I'm looking forward to that!
I just wanted to add something interesting I found which I believe is in line with what Craig posted.
If you have the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer (www.scripture4all.org) and you do a search on the word that is translated "repented" or "sorry" in Gen 6:6 it shows quite a few other ways in which this word was used. Some of these variations include:
* he is comforting
he is guiding
he is consoling
he is showing mercy
*
So for example in this verse:
Psalms 106:45
45 And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.
In the ISA it transliterates this word as: and he is showing mercy
The CLV renders the verse this way:
Psalms 106:45
45 And, for them, He remembered His covenant, So that He was merciful according to His many benignities."
What I am seeing in this, is just another angle on God being "sorrowful" at what he must necessarily put his creatures through in order for them to become in His image. It is really His mercy, and thus His love, which is creating beings to be a part of His intimate family. But in His mercy, He will never put His creatures through more than they are able to bear.
I see it kind of like this whole on going process of creating humanity is like an ongoing birth. We know the attributes of both male and female are in God. He understands both parental aspects of raising children....and what is involved in "giving birth to them". For this we have a "physical" example that may reflect what God is experiencing in "birthing" us:
Genesis 3:16
16 To the woman he said, "I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children.
Is there perhaps a spiritual message here in God expressing what it is for Him to bring forth children out of himself?
This thread got me thinking about this angle, and that His sorrow, or even regret, if you want to call it that, is not in the fact that He has created children, but in what it is taking to create children in the image of Himself. I'm thinking this whole experience for God might be at least spiritually similar to some aspects of giving birth as we understand it. Most mothers will tell you that the actual experience of child birth is PAINFUL! And it is for the baby too, (we just can't remember that far back thankfully! ;) But most mothers I know will also tell you that they certainly don't regret getting pregnant and having children. In fact, the pain of child birth is quickly forgotten once the new babe is laid into its mother's loving and awaiting arms. It is always worth it!
So, while experiencing and coming into a knowledge of evil is necessary in this process, I can see that God grieves in His heart that He must by necessity subject His creation to futility (Rom 8:20).
I imagine God is able to endure His suffering and pain for having to put His children through suffering and pain, because He knows for certainty the end result will be successful! All will be saved!
Peace,
Diana
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