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Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?
mrsnacks:
I have to think about what you said.
But mother's milk is not what is giving in the church. Mother's milk is good for you and always will be. We mature as you said but we don't quit drinking mother's milk because it is bad. But what the church teaches and what it gives you is bad. The milk that is good from the church is that is the introduction to God. That there is a God who exist and the Bible is the Word of God etc.
I think a better analogy is that today's kids and youth eat McDonald's or fast food. I do sometimes I admit when my wife isn't looking ( smile). It takes good and it's quick. But we know as mature adults that is terrible for you. Cokes and processed foods etc are bad. Ever see the movie about the guy who ate McDonalds for a month and what happened to him ?
So we move from eating the fast foods to eating raw vegetables, and if we eat meat that is organic not shot up with chemicals and hormones and we drink juices instead of cokes etc. And my wife and I eat a lot healthier. Why ? Because we have learned that fast food and most of what the masses eat is horrible for your health. My wife is in the medical field and lectures on diabetes and health issues.
So yes good comes from fast foods. It fills you up. It taste good at times. The cokes satisfies your thirst. But it is bad for you. And the teens now are getting diabetes, coming down with cancer. The doctrines of the church are the fast processed foods.
YellowStone:
Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?
Is this a trick question? ;D
I ask because I do not think anyone got it? :D
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Is there any truths coming out of the church. YOU BET! :D The Spirit of Truth is dragging people out. What could be more truthful than that? :)
I think the question was meant as: "Is the church teaching any truth?"
Just a little humor to brighten a day. :)
Love to all in Christ,
Darren
Redbird:
:) ;D That's good Darren :) ;D
skydreamers:
Hebrews 5:11-6:2
11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.
14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.
1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
How many people in the church even understand the truth in depth about "the resurrection of the dead" or even "eternal judgment"? Yet the Hebrew writer calls these things the "elementary doctrine of Christ". So it almost seems to me that even when we are called out of the Church and it's "false doctrines" we are most of us still in need of milk; we are in need of someone to teach us AGAIN the basic oracles of God. When we come out of mystery Babylon, we are just beginning to understand for example, what the resurrection of the dead is all about, and what eternal (aionios judgment) is, which I think is referring to "universal salvation". It is in aionios judgment that the rest of the world is being brought to salvation....So the doctrine of universal salvation is EVEN YET the elementary teachings (milk) of the word. We have yet to go even far beyond understanding these things before we are partaking of the meat of the word. So coming out of the church, seeing the truths of universal salvation and that the dead sleep, and maybe even the truth of free will....is still, it seems to me, considered "milk".
I heard Ray say in an audio (sorry, can't remember which one) that he understood these truths many years ago but he was still intensely struggling with sin, and so he likely would not have considered himself back then as having "powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil". It has still taken him many years of prayer and study to get to where he is now, and through him we are only beginning to be exposed to the hidden truths (the meat) of God's word. No offense to anyone, (and I include myself in this) but I think it is a rare few even here on this forum that are understanding the "meat". That is why we are in need of someone sent by God to teach us.
So my thought is then: milk or meat, we are all brothers and sisters....
Peace,
Diana
rk12201960:
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I would say there are truths in the church. as they do know who Jesus is, but the one thing they don't have is GODS SPIRIT.
If you are here that Spirit has called you here. this is the place of the elect in training as I can not say that we are the elect because till the end we're still under test and judgement.
I learned some things of value in satans church as they did come from the bible but ,he does lie and acts as if he is with God but, that is his job to misdirect and confuse.
The truth I've learned in Rays papers and backed up by scripture is what I base my answers and understanding on. there are things I had to change in my understanding (and they are plenty) but there is also things I've learned that are true to light in Gods word before God lead me here. Remember God has control of all things he desires.
Just my understanding,
Randy
;D 8) ;D
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