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Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?
mrsnacks:
You have said it well Skydreamers. I think of what Jesus said on the cross " Father forgive them for they know not what they do. " It is the same with the church today. They don't know what they are doing. You can't get mad at anyone for being blind. It is like getting upset at a 3 year old for not being able to drive a car.
rk12201960:
Hi seminole,
Its a hard thing to know everything about God. As I understand our understanding doesn't even come close to Gods. We therefore keep it simple (KIS) and try to hang on. Thats why if I come across something that seems to hard to understand then I go back to the basics, such as the church { false teachings) belong to Satan. This is how God wills it.
I could put tons of scripture in this but if I don't get across to whom I'm speaking then I'm just a clashing noise, not understood and a pain to the ears.
So 'm going to keep it simple.
The dear Lady who took the time to teach is not evil, in that respects. (I don't know her)
We don't throw out the baby with the bath water, even tho they are in satans church dose not mean that they are evil, it just means that their understanding is led in confusion by Satan.
Listen Sem, don't feel bad because you don't understand all that is here on the forum. You are here because God seen something in you and put you right where you are.
Satan might be driving the car (church) but for sure that doesn't mean all others in the car are the same as the driver (Satan, evil) They are just there for the ride and can't control where they are going.
Then God (red light) stops the car a pulls you out. Most whom is taken out really doesn't want to get back in the car because they now understand thats not a good place to be.
I rode in that car for a LONG time as many here have, so when they say that the church is evil its the driver we are talking about.
Hope this helps,
Peace and wisdom
Randy
;D 8) ;D
Craig:
Seminole,
There is a wealth of wisdom in what Randy said, please take it to heart.
Blessings
Craig
Deborah-Leigh:
I have posted this quote in another thread and I see it fits here too! It is from LOF part 9 quoting Ray :
Remember always as we attempt to enlighten those whom God is calling that we are NO BETTER than those whose doctrines we condemn.
The whole Church is called :D.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
The many years I went to church was to 'worship' God. I thought that was where I needed to be to show God how much I loved Him. Looking back I can see all those years I never worshipped in the Spirit of Truth while there. I was trying to serve the church, to show God I loved Him :-\ I do not regret the service I did in the church, but I know now that I want to worship God in Truth and that is not the place to do it.
Here is an email from Ray on worship.
http://bible-truths.com/email16.htm#worship --------------------
[Ray Replies]
Dear Barry:
Excellent question. Sometimes we fail to see the trees for the forest, as they say. It has come to be commonly believed by the whole world of Christendom that "worshipping" is something that takes place Sunday morning and Wednesday evening in a church BUILDING. Now I don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water, but most of these "worship" services are anything BUT worshipping God.
They are times of ENTERTAINMENT. Young people go to rock concerts for entertainment, and many Christians go to church for entertainment. Turn off the sound and just watch the audiences and you will see that both the rock concert and some church services are virtually identical.
What is true godly "worship," and how and where is it done? The answer may shock some.
Jesus said that:
"Howebeit IN VAIN do they WORSHIP me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Mark 7:7).
Wow! This is a biggie. If we do not teach the commandments OF GOD, we are worshipping God in VAIN! Yet what is it that is taught during these so-called "worship services" but the commandments of MEN? (See the forty Christian contradictions that I present in Part II of my series on "The Lake of Fire," on the last three pages).
When Paul went up to Jerusalem "to worship," did he go to the Temple?
"...I went up to Jerusalem for to WORSHIP. And they neither found me in the TEMPLE..."
What about the synagogues?
"...neither in the SYNAGOGUES..."
What about in the city, Jerusalem?
"...nor in the city" (Acts 24:11b-12).
WHY didn't Paul worship in the Temple or in the synagogues or in the city? Because:
"Howbeit the Most high DWELLS NOT in temples made with hands..." (Acts 7:48).
"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, DWELLS NOT in temples made with hands" (Acts 17:24).
But why didn't Paul worship God in the City of Jerusalem? Because:
"The woman said unto Him [Jesus], Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped in this mountain; and ye [all of you Jews] say, that in JERUSALEM is the place where men ought to worship" (John 4:19-20).
And what did Jesus have to say about the "location" of our worship?
"Jesus said unto her, Woman, believe Me, the hour comes , when ye shall NEITHER in this mountain, NOR YET AT JERUSALEM, worship the Father" (John 4:21).
Jesus then gives is the truth about WHERE and HOW to WORSHIP GOD:
"But the hour comes, and now is, when the TRUE worshippers shall worship the Father IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is Spirit: and they that worship Him MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH."
There my brothers is the true answer as to where and how we are to worship God.
I am not suggesting that we cannot worship God in hymn and song, or in praise and prayer, but it always MUST BE IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. Most Christian worship is in the FLESH and in ERROR.
We are to worship IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH, and let me be quick to add that this kind of worship should take place in our lives, EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG!
Start teaching these marvelous Truths in your meetings and soon you will all be "worshipping God in Spirit and in Truth"! Let me know if there are further questions you have regarding this or other subjects.
God be with you all,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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