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Should I forgive someone who has done Mark 3: 27-30?
Fira:
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Mark 3: 27-30 states about The Unpardonable Sin.
The Unforgivable Sin these days is to call The Works or Miracles of or even Just The Holy Spirit to be an of an Evil Spirit/Evil Spirits or calling The Holy Spirit a Demonic/Satanic Spirit/Spirits is also unforgivable.
If someone does The Unpardonable Sin and I know of it must I forgive him/her/them?
If I state that The Unpardonable Sin is sooo bad even I can't (can not or cannot) forgive it would God frown upon that?
I am confused about forgiveness.
Sorry if this post is a bother to anyone (i.e. too confusing etc.).
eggi:
Hi Fira,
First of all, there is no such thing as "The Unpardonable Sin".
The verses in the KJV read:
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. (Mar 3:28-30 KJV)
Notice how the KJV translators handled Matthew 12:32 which speaks about the same thing:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
(Mat 12:32 KJV)
The problem with Mark 3:29 in the KJV, is that the translators left out VERY IMPORTANT words. "Hath never forgiveness" should read:
but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness--to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;' (Mar 3:29 YLT)
yet whoever should be blaspheming against the holy spirit is having no pardon for the eon, but is liable to the eonian penalty for the sin- (Mar 3:29 CLV)
This is in agreement with Mat 12:32:
And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. (Mat 12:32 YLT)
And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending. (Mat 12:32 CLV)
There are several ages ahead. Those who commit this sin will not be forgiven in this age, or in the coming age, simply because they will not repent of it. We have this present evil age (Gal 1:4), and the age which is to come (Eph 1:21), and then Paul simply tells us that there are AGES yet to come (Eph 2:7).
The reason why it will not be forgiven NOW, is that they will not repent of it now. Fira, that is why anyone who commits "the unpardonable sin" will not be forgiven, because they don't ASK for forgiveness. As of now...
You might also check out this reply:
http://bible-truths.com/email16.htm#unpardonable
Hope this helps your understanding,
God bless you,
Eirik
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: eggi on May 24, 2007, 06:00:40 AM ---
The reason why it will not be forgiven NOW, is that they will not repent of it now. Fira, that is why anyone who commits "the unpardonable sin" will not be forgiven, because they don't ASK for forgiveness. As of now...
--- End quote ---
Hi Eirik,
A very thorough and thoughtful response! The key to this is what you stated above, the unforgivable sin is the sin that is unrepented.
We can empathize with those who cannot see the errors of certain doctrines or lifestyles or idols of the heart but how can forgiveness be granted or given if it is not sought, requested or if the need of repentence is unrecognized and unseen?
There are also times when we or our brethren may have a particular sin/weakness that repeatedly causes stumbling and failure along our/their Spiritual walk, this is not an indication of any unpardonable sin, if we/they are thinking about it, concerned about it and feel helpless about it then we can be assured that the Spirit is indeed working on us/them, if there is no concern and we/they feel justified in ours/their thought and action the sin is unforgiven because it is unrepented.
As far as us forgiving our brothers and sisters we have this admonishment from the Master;
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
His Peace to you,
Joe
eggi:
Joe,
I agree with you. You brought out the nuances!
--- Quote ---[...]if we/they are thinking about it, concerned about it and feel helpless about it then we can be assured that the Spirit is indeed working on us/them, if there is no concern and we/they feel justified in ours/their thought and action the sin is unforgiven because it is unrepented.
--- End quote ---
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (2Th 2:3 KJV)
We must return to this again and again, revealing the man of sin IN US, and forgive others if we expect to be forgiven ourselves.
God bless you,
Eirik
Deborah-Leigh:
Therefore there is now NO CONDEMNATION, no adjudging guilty of wrong for those who are in Christ Jesus.Rom 8:1
For me this means we are neither condemned and we also do not condemn others because we know that all will be brought to repentance by God in the end either by Judgement or by revelation. This does not mean we do not pray for our enemies and for their repentance. How I understand this is
that the chosen now, and the called, latter, will unite under the feet of Christ in worship of Him ultimately and then God will be all in all when Christ turns Himself and the Kingdom over to The Father. This does not eliminate the difference between the called and the chosen, the lost and the found and the wise and the stupid virgins.
The great equaliser will be the return of Christ and the Resurrection of the dead either to life or to correction in judgement. After that, THEN ALL will bow to Christ and not just the chosen, the found and the wise!
As for the "unpardonable sin" that too will be straightened out in the LOF for those who are hardened of heart and feel no accountability! They too will be saved. Isn't the Fathers plan just awesome! :D 8)
Peace to you
Arcturus. :)
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