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Six-Day Creation
skydreamers:
Hi All,
What about this?
Matthew 12:36
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
I find it hard to imagine that this is speaking of a literal day...how on earth will every man give account for every idle word in 24 hours????
Genesis 2:17
17 but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Isn't humanity continuing to eat of this tree (spiritually) every day until the close of the ages??
Perhaps there is a literal application as well as a spiritual application to the word "day". I find it interesting to seek out the spiritual application of the six days of creation.
Andrevan,
I think I'm with you in seeing this:
--- Quote ---God has not finished creating us into His image and likeness yet, so I'm not sure that we're in the 7th Day, because God is still creating mankind. Yes, all other life has been created past tense, because they are not being created into God's image, only Mankind. His work is not yet finished in this regard.
--- End quote ---
I wonder even if most of humanity is still in the 5th day spiritually speaking:
Genesis 1:25
25 And God made the beasts of the earth ...
What is man but a beast....it isn't until we recognize the beast within us that God begins to conform us into His image....I see the Elect as being in the sixth day, as it is this group that God is training to have:
Genesis 1:26
...dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
In the next age, the Elect will truly have this dominion over the fish of the sea (all the rest of humanity...the nations), the fowl of the heavens (evil spirits...do you not know that you shall judge angels?), over the cattle (the beast within), over all the earth (many called...Christians) and over all the creepers creeping on the earth (okay, I haven't figured out what this one could be ;)...anyone?)
I know many believe that the 7th day will be the millennium period/age, but I'm wondering if the millennium age is actually the 6th day and the 7th day is the end when Jesus gives back the kingdom to the Father, and God is all in all, and we shall all have perfect rest.
This may not be exactly what this thread is about, but I felt compelled to add this, just to give an alternative perspective as to how the 6 days could be a spiritual parable.
Of course, that doesn't rule out at all some literal application...
May God open our eyes on the matter, if it be in His will, :)
Peace,
Diana
Robert:
Thanks for your thoughts on that, and as I said, I’m still checking it out. I will reply however to the answer about God’s judgement and His promise never to flood the earth again: The food DID destroy ALL human life. Geological history, as well as the Biblical account implies that greater Mesopotamia was indeed the cradle of ALL human existence and civilisation. That type of judgement will not happen again. This answer though is from proponents of ‘old earth’ creationism, and is not from my beliefs as yet.
andrevan:
--- Quote from: Robert on June 01, 2007, 03:18:37 AM ---Thanks for your thoughts on that, and as I said, I’m still checking it out. I will reply however to the answer about God’s judgement and His promise never to flood the earth again: The food DID destroy ALL human life. Geological history, as well as the Biblical account implies that greater Mesopotamia was indeed the cradle of ALL human existence and civilisation. That type of judgement will not happen again. This answer though is from proponents of ‘old earth’ creationism, and is not from my beliefs as yet.
--- End quote ---
So Noah spent many years (+-100?) building a huge ark to house 2 of every kind of creature with the breath of life and creeping things to save them all from a local flood? They floated around in a local flood for a year? Sounds ridiculous to me, and smacks of unbelief.
Why did they not just move somewhere else, away from the "cradle of civilisation"? People could have fled to higher ground or away from this local flood.
Geological history shows fossils all over the earth and sedimentary layers all over the earth formed by a water catastrophe.
Many scientists believe there was a massive planetary flood on Mars (where there is no water), but refuse to believe it happened on earth (where there is plenty of water).
After what Ray spoke about at the conference, I'm currently thinking that we are still in the sixth day, because 'it is not yet so'.
Ray also mentioned the "whales":
From Strong's:
tannîyn tannîym
tan-neen', tan-neem'
(The second form used in Eze_29:3); intensive from the same as H8565; a marine or land monster, that is, sea serpent or jackal: - dragon, sea-monster, serpent, whale."
From Brown-Driver-Briggs:
tannîyn / tannîym
BDB Definition:
1) dragon, serpent, sea monster
1a) dragon or dinosaur
1b) sea or river monster
1c) serpent, venomous snake
Water dwelling dinosaurs perhaps?
Peace to you.
Andrevan.
jerreye:
The context of Genesis 1:21 seems to suggest that God created the great SEA-creatures (as opposed to great LAND-creatures). Land animals apparently were not created until Day 6 as far as I can see. Interestingly, if you look at the root of the Hebrew word "tan-neen" ("whales" in the KJ), Strong's suggests that it could be speaking of the plesiosaurus (sea-dinosaur). BUT, if God mentions that He created great sea based dinosaurs on Day 5, then why no mention of great LAND-BASED dinosaurs on Day 6? Perhaps God created ALL sea and land based dinosaurs on Day 5? Seems kind of strange to create ALL dinosaurs on Day 5, then create all OTHER land-based animals on Day 6 (??) Seems out of place, doesn't it?
Speaking of the plesiosaurus, some people have suggested that the legendary "OGOPOGO" creature supposedly swimming in the Okanogan Lake (from my home Province of BC, Canada) is a plesiosaurus that perhaps survived the mass extinction! lol
As for Ray's comments on "Creating man in His image..."
Ray did mention that it does not say, "and it was so", concerning making man in His image. He also stated that it doesn't say concerning God making man in His image that, "it was good".
But look at Gen 1:26-31...
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: AND IT WAS SO.
But, WHAT was SO? How can it NOT be EVERTHING mentioned from verse 26-30, which includes making man in His image??
Now, look at the next verse concerning EVERYTHING God created:
Gen 1:31 And God saw EVERYTHING (including making Man in His image) that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Comments???
Ray also states that because the present-future-tense is used, as in, "God is MAKING man in His image", proves that it wasn't a completed act, as in "God MADE man in His image". But, how about everthing else God made? The present-future-tense is used ALSO concerning Him creating the vegetation, animals and virtually everything else....He is MAKING the animals and He is MAKING the herbs etc etc...
Perhaps I missed something here (it does happen...a lot!)? ;D
Kat:
Hi jerreye,
I will see if I can help with your questions;
--- Quote ---But, WHAT was SO? How can it NOT be EVERTHING mentioned from verse 26-30, which includes making man in His image??
--- End quote ---
If you look back when God created the different things, you will notice that immediately after their creation said, "and it is so."
Gen 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Gen 1:9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
Gen 1:11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.
Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
Gen 1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so.
Now when you come to the creation of man, you will notice when He had finished this part of His creation, He did not end it with the statement, "and it is so."
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
But in verses 29-30, He went on to speak on what He had given them for food and that is when God said, "and it is so."
Gen 1:29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
Gen 1:30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.
Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.
And of course God overlooking His whole creation and said, "indeed it was very good." Because this creation is His plan to bring all mankind into the family of God. And though it was just the beginning, He knows the end from the beginning.
Isa 46:9 remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
v. 10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
--- Quote ---Ray also states that because the present-future-tense is used, as in, "God is MAKING man in His image", proves that it wasn't a completed act, as in "God MADE man in His image". But, how about everthing else God made? The present-future-tense is used ALSO concerning Him creating the vegetation, animals and virtually everything else....He is MAKING the animals and He is MAKING the herbs etc etc...
--- End quote ---
You will notice that God created the creatures of the earth as a completed living thing, able to substain life and reproduce after it's on kind.
Gen 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds,
Gen 1:25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind.
God also made man complete, in that he was able to substain life and reproduce.
Gen 1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion..."
But in the next verse God goes on to state He is in the process of creating man into "His image." But after this verse there is no, "and it was so."
Gen 1:27 And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them. (CLV)
This is the way that I understand these verses, I hope it helped :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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