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Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9 ____ Am I on the right track or way off course?
Deborah-Leigh:
When God chooses you who can undo that? Well noted Mrl1970. :D
I have finally been able to access the tools I use to analyze the Scriptures. My computer that has the data base for this has just been reconnected and I found what I was suspecting to be confirmend!
Here it is.
Acts 9:7 the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer translates that the men journeying with Saul as sunodeuO.
This word is used only once according to the Analyzer.
Acts 22:9 refers to the men together with Paul as "THE-ones YET TOGETHER to-ME and this wording appears to refer to a much more intimate association to Paul.
Here is how the Interlinear translates Act 22 : 9 THE-ones YET TOGETHER to-ME BEING THE INDEED LIGHT gaze THE YET SOUND NOT THEY-HEAR OF-the ONE-talking TO-me. / the-ones yet together to-me being the indeed light gaze the yet voice not they-hear of-the one- speaking to-me.
The translation analysis of the Greek words de sun egO eimi/ YET TOGETHER to-ME have many other places in the scriptures where they appear and confirm deeper RELATIONSHIP. It will take MONTHS to go through them all!
This is just scratching the surface! E-sword shows up the difference with much greater simplicity.
Acts 22 :9 And they that were WITH4862 = E-Sword/ A primary preposition denoting UNION; WITH or TOGETHER that is by ASSOCIATION....
Acts 9 :7 And the men which journeyed WITH 4922 = E-Sword/ ...to TRAVEL in compay WITH; journey with.
So YES mrl1970 I believe this shows the order of the life of the believer. Are we simply on a journey with Christ or are we in ASSOCIATION WITH HIM?
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
pylady:
Hi Arcturus,
Forgive me for getting off topic. But you said you had not been able to do a word search on "companions" yet. Please, what is companions? ???
Cindy
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Cindy
The travelling companions of Saul/Paul are both mentioned in Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9.
Earlier on in this thread I suggested a word study on the Greek words that relate directly to the translations we have in our Bibles from both Acts 9 and 7 to compair. As it happened, at that time, I was not able to do the study as my computer that carries the data was off line.
So if you look back in this thread you may be able to pick up from where I continued once my computer came back on line today 8) Also by reading every ones posts you will see how the conversation has developed up to now which could also make things a lot clearer for you! There are many gems in this thread!
I did write the following but was looking for scripture back up which I did not have then and now do : Those who were not just casually traveling with Saul but those who were WITH HIM saw the light.
I hope this explanation helps! If not, please get back to us.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---I think it shows the order of the life of a believer.
--- End quote ---
Hi mrl1970,
Yes It think you may be right about that.
Acts 9:3-9
3 But in going, it happened as he drew near to Damascus, even suddenly a light from the heaven shone around him.
This could be the point at which you are called, because directly after this Paul falls to the earth (the earth being the church...and the church is where Jesus is being persecuted, in a sense, because he is not being worshiped in spirit and in truth. He is being blasphemed as a God who tortures his children, among other things...)....this is the "falling away", leaving your first love...
4 And he fell to the earth and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?
Those that are called in the church, do not truly know Jesus...
5 And he said, Who are you, lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you persecute. It is hard for you to kick against the goads...
7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, indeed hearing a voice but seeing no one.
Those with you (in the church) hear a voice (the voice which called them into the church...but they remain in the physical, they cannot "see" the spiritual Jesus.)
Then Saul is lifted UP from the earth (the church)...now is when God takes you out of the church...and your eyes are opened...but opened to what? because he also still "sees" no one.
8 And Saul was lifted up from the earth, his eyes were opened, but he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus.
It looks like he cannot see completely....he saw no one....so he doesn't spiritually yet see Jesus...this is just the beginning where his eyes have been opened to the fact that he has been persecuting Jesus his Lord! As we know, finding out that you've been under the influence of false doctrines is just the beginning. There is so much more to know about our Lord. I've been repenting of false doctrines for the last two years, all the while getting closer to understanding Jesus. But even then, you keep finding out how little you know...I'm thinking of this last conference where Ray was speaking about Jesus...wow...that was yet another eye opener...
Then comes something interesting:
9 And he was three days not seeing, and did not eat or drink.
Is this a period of time we do not spiritually eat or drink of Jesus?? why? Why is there this three days....3 days in the belly of the whale....3 days in the tomb? There maybe is a period of time between being part of the many, the multitude, and the transition to being a part of the chosen:
Matthew 15:32
32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
After this is when God uses a disciple to open Saul's eyes....
Acts 9:10-20
10 And there was a certain disciple in Damascus named Ananias. And the Lord said to him in a vision, Ananias! And he said, Behold me, Lord.
11 And the Lord said to him, Arise and go into the street which is called Straight (Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.)
and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus. For behold, he is praying,
12 and has seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him so that he might receive his sight.
13 And Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard from many of this man, how many evil things he has done to Your saints at Jerusalem.
14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your Name.
15 But the Lord said to him, Go! For this one is a chosen vessel to Me, to bear My name before nations and kings and the sons of Israel.
16 For I will show him what great things he must suffer for My name's sake.
17 And Ananias went and entered into the house. And putting his hands on him, he said, Brother Saul, the Lord, Jesus, who appeared to you in the way in which you came, has sent me to you that you might see and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
18 And instantly scales as it were fell from his eyes, and he instantly saw again. And rising up, he was baptized.
19 And taking food, he was strengthened. And Saul was certain days with the disciples in Damascus.
20 And immediately he proclaimed Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
This has become a fascinating study for me!
Peace,
Diana
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Diana
I got a few things from you post. Thank you for sharing. I would like to put a few thoughts forward that are perhaps another way of looking at the same thing. You say : It looks like he cannot see completely....he saw no one....so he doesn't spiritually yet see Jesus..
To add to that observation Paul says to the Ephesians 3 : 16 May He grant you out of the rich treasury of His glory to BE STRENGTHENED ( a PROCESS!) AND REINFORCED WITH MIGHTY POWER in the inner man by the Spirit Himself indwelling your innermost being and personality. 17. May Christ through your faith actually dwell, SETTLE DOWN (a PROCESS!) abide, make His permanent home in your hearts! May you be rooted deep in love and founded (a PROCESS AGAIN!....BEING FOUNDED) securely on love 18 That you may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, length, and depth and height; 19. That you may recall COME TO KNOW ( a PROCESS of COMING to know) practically, through experience for yourselves the love of Christ.......
Eph 4 : 12 His intention was the perfecting (PERFECTING.....a PROCESS_) and the full equipping (a PROCESS AGAIN) of the saints that they should do the work of ministering toward BUILDING UP ;D 8)
(A PROCESS! ;D_.....Christs body 13 That it might DEVELOPE until we all attain (ATTAIN....a process) oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the full and accurate knowledge of the Son of God....
You observe Diana : Is this a period of time we do not spiritually eat or drink of Jesus?? why? Why is there this three days....3 days in the belly of the whale....3 days in the tomb? There maybe is a period of time between being part of the many, the multitude, and the transition to being a part of the chosen:
My thoughts as I read this turned to Isaiah and Saul who both went out of society ahead of returning to their prospective ministries. Saul in his transition spent three years and so did Isaiah if I am not mistaken. In this time they did not eat again of false teachings or the food of Mystery Babylonian Paganism and Heresy. The carnal mind was starved of its usual food and drink. So I think the meaning here could refer to a change of diet! starting with DETOX ;D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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