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Jesus coming out of the Father means that Christ was created by God ?
John9362:
Begotten of God. Does this truly mean Jesus was a created being. I thought that Christ was eternally existing in the Father being that God is eternal without beginning. This is the last new topic for awhile. .............You Promise !!...LOL ..LOL !! ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :D
John 9362 ;D
gzeigler:
Begotten takes on a mean greater than created.
Begotten draws from within, to be birth, conceived, born.
Created beings, simplistically stated, are not conceived as much as draw together from external means.
The angels are created.
Jesus was begotten. He was 'born' of God the Father. He is an heir.
Grace and peace,
gtz
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: John9362 on June 02, 2007, 03:30:31 AM ---Begotten of God. Does this truly mean Jesus was a created being. I thought that Christ was eternally existing in the Father being that God is eternal without beginning. This is the last new topic for awhile. .............You Promise !!...LOL ..LOL !! ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :D
John 9362 ;D
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mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: gzeigler on June 02, 2007, 10:13:14 AM ---Begotten takes on a mean greater than created.
Begotten draws from within, to be birth, conceived, born.
Created beings, simplistically stated, are not conceived as much as draw together from external means.
The angels are created.
Jesus was begotten. He was 'born' of God the Father. He is an heir.
Grace and peace,
gtz
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So "begotten" always refers to created ? Is most here in agreement that Jesus is a created being ? That JEsus had a beginning. If this is so God the Father could've begotten more Sons if He wanted to but chose one ?
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
This is from the fall conference in Mobile last year.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27962.html#msg27962 -------
Where did Jesus Christ come from? Well was it the Trinity, the third part of the Trinity? A third part of the Trinity, equal with the other two parts of the God Trinity? NO, He came from God.
So in John 13:3 “and that HE CAME FROM GOD,” that’s where Jesus came from, GOD.
Not from the Godhead, not from the Trinity, FROM GOD.
John 16:27 “for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I CAME OUT FROM GOD.” (Just like Eve came out from Adam)
v. 28 “I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, and have come into the world.”
1 John 4:9 “In this the love of God was revealed in us, because GOD SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the world that we might live through Him.”
v. 14 And we have seen and testify that THE FATHER SENT THE SON to be the Savior of the world.
Heb 1:2 “has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom HE HAS APPOINTED heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds,”
If Jesus Christ was part of a triune god, a trinity, then nobody’s appointed anybody, nobody is sending anybody. There is not one greater authority in a perfect equilateral triangle. But Christ said, My Father is greater than I, (John 14:28).
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
The beginning was the Word of God, what did God began with? Jesus Christ, right? The Word, that’s what God began with, Jesus Christ is the beginning.
In Gen. 1:1 it says, “In the beginning[ Heb: reshiyth - spec. Firstfruits] God [Heb: Elohim] created the heavens and the earth”
We read in 1 Cor 15:20 “But now Christ has risen from the dead, and has become the Firstfruit of those who slept.”
That Jesus Christ “became the Firstfruit of those who slept.” Who is the Firstfurit? JESUS CHRIST.
Where did Jesus come from: John 7:29; John 13:3; John 9:42; John 16: 27-28; 1 John 4:9, 14.
Jesus was created by the Father; Heb 1:4; Rev 3:14. Jesus Christ was created and than became the Creator of all. So when you talk about Jesus Christ, you are talking about God. But you are talking about the One who was begotten in the God family, and one who could be emptied and formed such as a man.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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