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jER:
Hi Nole...
Gifts are given to all, in accordance to the Lord’s choosing for His Purpose, and sometimes we may have the identical gift(s) as another, but, used for a different purpose.
That is one of the reasons - that I had posted: Lord, what is it you want me to do?
Re: Is all the praying we do in public biblical?
Ray seems to be using his gift(s), according to the purpose - that has been given him.
Yours, mine and ours (sounds like a blended family) may well be different.
In His Love and mine...your brother - Jer
Evan600:
--- Quote from: Rene on June 02, 2007, 09:09:24 AM ---Seminole,
Before arriving at Bible-Truths.com, I came across many "religious" websites; some appeared to be sweet as honey, and others were rather scary. Then I stumbled onto Bible-Truths, and just as Matt stated, my first impression was that it appeared a little harsh. However, as I was drawn in and started reading the articles, the truth of what was being said far outweighed the sarcasm that was used. In my opinion, the revelation of truth began to justify much of the language that Ray used in "exposing those who contradict" the word of God.
The "truth" will offend many, no matter what language is being used. Those who have "eyes to see and ears to hear" will get it.
Rene'
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I feel you here Rene'!!
- Jason
Robert:
Hi Seminole, just picking up on what you wrote about ‘abrasive words’. I agree with you. I think there is a risk by that type of reply to those who don’t go along with what they teach exactly. For example, a few years ago I read a lot of Peter Ruckman material, but his abrasive style eventually made me question wether this man had the spirit of Christ, and I found that he didn’t. Later I followed Gary North, and the same conclusion came through. To date, I like Ray’s teaching, but no man can have all the truth or follow Christ to perfection, we are only members of the body.
Deborah-Leigh:
Just some things to consider.... :)
There are some who Christ will spit out for being lukewarm....out of His body! :o
Rev 3 : 16 So, because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, (Does this not mean to include those who never commite to anything, the on the fence sitters....that fuzzy warm kind who never makes a stand...who runs with the fox and hunts with the hounds type...never saying anything to upset anyone, the slack shirker ....just that kind who is not hot or cold or risking rejection and inviting persecution from those who feel the heat or the bite of the cold words of admonishment, correction and exhortation which members of the body are supposed to do!...to build up and remove duplicity and doublemindedness which Ray does with great gusto! Christ says...) I will spew you out of my mouth. ( MOUTH! ...part of the body no? And spew...anyone care to look up what that means in the dictionary or better still on e-sword?)
Also there is a distinction between being "only members" and those Christ has given to the body. The student is not greater than the master. Here is what Paul taught the Ephesians 4 : 11 He, (CHRIST NO LESS) has HIMSELF APPOINTED and GAVE men to us (US...who are..."only the members of the body" of which Paul included himself as also being a member of this privileged place) some to be apostles, special messengers, some prophets, inspired preachers and expounders, some evangelists, preachers of the Gospel, traveling missionaries, some pastors, shepherds of His flock and TEACHERS ... of which Ray, as I see it fits ALL of these categories!
Mark 9 : 40,41 For who is not against us is for us. 41 For I tell you truly, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to and bear the name of Christ will by no means fail to get his reward.
1 Thes 5 : 11 Therefore encourage, admonish, exhort one another and edify, strengthen and build up one another, just as you are doing. 12 Now we beseech you, brethren, get to know those who labor among you, recognize them for what they are, acknowledge and appreciate and respect them all - your leaders who are over you in the Lord and those who warn and kindly reprove and exhort you. 13 And hold them in very high and most affectionate esteem in intelligent and sympathetic appreciation of their work. Be at peace among your selves. 14 And we earnestly beseech you, brethren, admonish, warn and seriously advise those who are out of line....
That out of line part, is the real tester! It is much easier to compliment than to admonish! Compliments draw approval, admonishment is more risky! More hot to handle! ;D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I can hear what your saying. We can not be complacent, but always seeking to understand the truth. This scripture is a warning to us.
Rev 3:16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
To be among the chosen you have to go beyond what is comfortable and easy.
Phi 1:9 And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,
v. 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ,
discernment
G144
aisthēsis-- perception, that is, (figuratively) discernment: - judgment.
We need to come to discern the truth.
discern--to come to know, reconize or understand(discern) the basic issue. Discern right from wrong. Webster's
mery, peace, and love
Kat
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