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fe32k:
1Corinthians 15:29 "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" (KJV)

1Co 15:29 Else, what will they do, who are being immersed in behalf of the dead? If, not at all, are the dead to be raised, why are they even being immersed in their behalf? (Rotherham)

1Co 15:29 Else what shall those be doing who are baptizing? It is for the sake of the dead absolutely if the dead are not being roused. Why are they baptizing also for their sake? (CLV)

1Co 15:29  Otherwise what shall they do those being dipped on behalf of the dead ones, if at all dead ones not are raised up? why and are they dipped on behalf of them? (Diaglott)

1Co 15:29  Seeing what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? why also are they baptized for the dead? (YLT)


What is this verse speaking of? Mormons actually literally baptize themselves in place of people who have died, so that the dead may be saved. I doubt that is what paul is speaking of here. Can anyone shed some light on this verse? It seems that the CLV went out on a limb here to try and make sense of this verse. I am not normally bothered by petty technicalities that will sway my faith anyway, but this a refutation for the ressurection of Christ and I am guessing that it is important to understand what Paul meant here. Thanks

In Christ,
Roy

Kat:
Hi Roy,

We can see from the beginning of this chapter that Paul is trying to persuade the believers/brothers, that there is a resurrection from the dead.

1Co 15:3  For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,
v. 4  and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;

Now as you read these scripture up to verse 29, you can see Paul is explaining to them that since Christ was raised, that they too can have faith that they will be raised. 
The resurrection of the dead does not seem to be believed by most at that time.

1Co 15:12  But if Christ is proclaimed, that He was raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
v. 13  But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been raised.
v. 14  And if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation is worthless, and your faith is also worthless.
v. 15  And we are also found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified of God that He raised Christ; whom He did not raise if the dead are not raised.
v. 16  For if the dead are not raised, then Christ is not raised.
v. 17  And if Christ is not raised, your faith is foolish; you are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18  Then also those that fell asleep in Christ were lost.
v. 19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
v. 20  But now Christ has risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruit of those who slept.
v. 21  For since death is through man, the resurrection of the dead also is through a Man.
v. 22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
v. 23  But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;

1Co 15:29  Otherwise, what will they do, those being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not at all raised, why indeed are they baptized on behalf of the dead?

Now in verse 29 you can see Paul is still trying to convince them that, "those being baptized on behalf of the dead?"  The dead this is talking about is Christ.

Rom 6:3  Do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
v. 4  Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father; even so we also should walk in newness of life.
v. 5  For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection;


Paul goes on to say, "If the dead are not at all raised," or if Christ was not raised, "why indeed are they baptized on behalf of the dead?"  So if they do not believe in a resurrection of the dead, Paul is saying it would be useless to be baptized into Christ's death, on behalf of His death, if He was not resurrected.
Paul is saying if they do not believe that Christ was raised, then why would anyone be baptized on behalf of someone who they think is still dead. 
It is not Christ death that saves us it is His life.

Rom 5:10  For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

That's the way this verse 29 looks to me  :)

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

seminole:
My simple view is that I was baptized for me. I wanted to make a public statement if you will, that God had changed my life.
Nole

jER:
Nice explanation, Kat!

There are those (others) who believe that Christ Jesus was not actually dead, meaning – "He never truly died", that nullifies or makes the Resurrection with no effect. Hence, they take a verse like John 11:26 to support their immortality (as in the soul never dies):

   "And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die"…

I believe that Ray mentioned this in one of his writings? And, as you have stated, "there is a Resurrection of the Dead."

..."It is not Christ death that saves us…it is His life."

I so, enjoy the truth of your words…His Truth.

In His Love and mine

- Jer

jER:
Yes - "He changed, all our lives." Amen to that!

- Jer

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