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YellowStone:
Mat,

You wrote:

--- Quote ---Beth, there's a lot to learn isn't there? I'm still learning and hopefully I always will be learning. I never want to stop until I know it all. Is there a way to know it all?
--- End quote ---

What you said here reminds me of something Demi Moore once said. :)

She said something like: "I pray that I never stop learning, so that I don't have to know it all."

This struck me as one of the most simple truths yet profound statements that I heard in a very long time. For in all truth, if one closes themselves off from learning/considering something new, are they not saying I know all I need. That, to me is the cornerstone of ignorance.

God uses all kinds to get His message across, doesn't He?  :D

Yes, seeking with the heart is WAY different than seeking with the mind. :)

Great response MAT!

Darren

mari_et_pere:
I just thought of something else. Darren said:


--- Quote ---For in all truth, if one closes themselves off from learning/considering something new, are they not saying I know all I need. That, to me is the cornerstone of ignorance.

--- End quote ---

How true! And when they quit learning (especially if they "know it all") then what's happening in reality is they are becoming stagnate and stale, with no new insights, no new ideas, no new ways of explaining the truth to others. And let's assume for a second, that something that we learned is actually not true. What then, if we no longer pursue truth? We'll always continue believing the lie that we thought was truth. That kind of reminds me of church.  :D

Jesus never said, "Hurry up and learn this already so you can quit studying."  :)

This all being said, I still agree with ya Beth! I'd love to know it all now! I just know it isn't so.   ;D

Matt

skydreamers:
Even the disciples who had daily and direct access to Jesus couldn't understand and take in all the truth all at once:


From Twelve God-Given Truths to Understand His Word
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm

Yes, Jesus told them "ALL things,"  but, "they understood NONE OF THESE THINGS" (Luke 18:34)!

Surely the question will arise: If at the end of Christ’s ministry, "they understood none of these things…," of what value were those three and one half years that Jesus taught them? Tis true that they did not understand Christ’s gospel and message during His ministry, and during this mentoring, but it was not for naught.

Three things were to happen:

    [1] "But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, you will REMEMBER that I told you of them" (John 16:4).

This is how the gospel accounts could be written 30-40 years later, because God caused them to "remember" all these things. Remember how I taught in my "Lake of Fire" series, that in Revelation 1:10 & 12 John, "…heard behind" him, a trumpet, and he "turned to see…" And that is how we come to understand many things in the spirit. It is only when we turn and look behind us that we see what we didn’t see while it was actually taking place.

    "These things understood NOT His disciples at that time: but when Jesus was glorified, then REMEMBERED they that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things unto Him" (John 12:16).

    "Then REMEMBERED I the word of the Lord, how that He said…" (Acts 11:16).

    [2] "And He said unto them, These are the words which I spoke unto you, while I was yet with you… Then opened he their understanding, that they might UNDERSTAND the Scriptures" (Luke 24:44-45).

    [3] After three and one half years of personal tutoring and training of His disciples, Jesus told them at the last supper, "I have yet MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye cannot hear them NOW" (John 16:12).

And so the disciples understood many things [1] after they came to pass, [2] again when Jesus opened their understanding, and [3] many more things as they progressed and grew in their faith and ministry.


Peace,
Diana

Deborah-Leigh:

I think I know what you mean Bambam and YES absolutely I have wanted to know it all immediately. Then the though came to me...I know everything. All you have to know is ME. Then I realised that I could relax from wanting to know EVERYTHING to learning to know SOMEONE and that is Christ.

Also I experienced that the more of everything I knew the less of everything I understood! I started to experience my ignorance and ineptitude which made it more important to rest in the knowledge that Christ actually knows EVERYTHING and EVERYONE! This did not mean that I wanted to relax from knowing but that my focus and direction shifted and changed from knowing "things" for the benefit of show and tell, and rather getting to know Him for the benefit of intimacy with the KING. Big difference.

Now what is happening is that HE is starting to show me that my thoughts and feelings are being lived in front of HIM. So there is lots of work and clean up still going on! That's the wonderful part ...! 8)....HE IS WONDERFUL! COUNSELLOR.... MARVELOUS ALMIGHTY GOD! ...

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

jackson:
I remember when I started going back to church as an adult.  I was very intimidated by my lack of "book" knowledge.  There were only a hand full of verses I could quote from, and even then I really didn't know what they were saying.  Meanwhile, surrounding me were all these elders and deacons and all other types of "spiritually" endowed (at least thats what I thought at the time) people of the church.

I committed myself to memorizing scripture and doctrine until I could parrot those words along with the rest of my "brothers" in the church.  I don't mind telling ya that I made myself into quite the asset to the chuch.  Yes sir!  Soon I was teaching the adult sunday school class and serving as the worship leaded for the early Sunday service.  What an accomplishment for such a young man! 

I was so proud of myself.  After all I knew just about all there was to know about God.  I wouldn't have told you that of course; gotta at least look humble...right?  But I mean to tell ya, I was fealling pretty good about myself; I was finally on par with the rest of the Big Dawgs of the church.  Get this, at times I even felt sorry for those whos knowledge of God was less than my own.

Mind you, I was never outwardly cocky; but on the inside I was full of it (pride that is).

There came a point, however, when God began to open my eyes.  I would look a bible verse and the truth of it would smack me in the face...and I remember thinking..."I've read this verse a thousand times, why have I never understood this before?"  I mean I use to think I understood it but I really had no clue.  The more I read and studied the more it became apparent to me that I didn't have the faintest idea what this book was really about.

As I started teaching the truths as my Father revealed them to me, the sunday school class attendance began to drop (almost to 0 before I left).  I know this probably doesn't suprise you, but it did me at the time.  Maybe I was wrong, ya no; all of asudden no body wants to here what I have to say.  But my Father reassured me of His truths and began to reveal even more to me.  This blew me away and truely humbled for the first time!  As I know now that I know nothing I am resolute in the truth.

As I searched for more truth I found Ray's teachings and then this place.  And I must say that this forum keeps me humble.  It seems I learn something every time I'm here.  Thank you all!

In His Grace,
Jackson

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