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YellowStone:
That was beautifully written Diana  :)

I have not spoken directly with Ray, but have emailed him several times and he has always been very polite and couteous.

As with everything, there is a time and a place for all things; it's not as much about knowing them than it is, knowing when to use them. Ray can be as gentle as a lamb when he needs.

This to me is VERY important, for his words and tone taken in context are befitting the role he has chosen. Truthful  :) One does not need to speak like Ray to have the Spirit of Truth and feel saddened or perhaps shameful for being unable. Although we are all members of the same body of Christ, we do not all have the same roles.

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

But what we all are without doubt is, ambassadors to God and his Truth; something not one of us should ever forget. It is my understanding that Christ himself only used a scathing tone to a very select few, and then only on occasion.

Here is a good example of a time when Christs speech was not scathing, even though he used the word "hypocrites." We must assume that he sopke calmly, because there is no hint of him raising his voice, or stepping forward aggressively. This is not to say that he didn't, just that it is worthy to note it wasn't recorded.

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk.

Mat 22:16  And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any [man]: for thou regardest not the person of men.

Mat 22:17  Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:18  But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Mat 22:19  Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Mat 22:20  And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?  

Mat 22:21  They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mat 22:22  When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Love to you in Christ,

Your Brother,
Darren

eggi:
I remember that late afternoon when I clicked on the bible-truths ad, and after I started reading I stayed up until very late, just couldn't stop reading... I experienced something wonderful that evening and night. As I read I found the style of writing refreshing, crystal clear and more than anything, it was full of love for all humanity. Yes, it contained some strong condemnations of the beliefs of others, but nevertheless I could see that there was love behind every statement. When I finished reading that night I went to bed crying, crying of happiness. God had started to reveal Himself to me.

Yes, the truths can hurt, but that hurting is good for us. That's why Ray can answer as he does. "Let's just love and accept one another" might seem good for the moment, but it doesn't help us in the long run.

God bless you,
Eirik

gmik:
Good words Diana, Darren & Eirik...I agree :)

jER:
Ditto...ditto...ditto...ditto...ditto...  ;)  "Just avoiding repetition", and could not have said it any better!

A friend in Christ - jER

seminole:
Man that was tough about Ray's son! Someone( don't remember who) ask me if I had been hurt in another thread. Maybe that is part of why Ray comes across as he does. He has been hurt.  I can't listen to audio. I can't get it to work!  Back to the point though we have all been hurt at some time or another . Does that give us the right to be less than courteous even if there is disagreement?

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