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Questions on Christs baptism
sansmile:
Hi BK,
You said: (Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
This is Christs Sheep that hears Christs voice, is it not? Or can some hear Gods voice?
Thanks
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were His sheep. I don't think it says anywhere that others heard it? But maybe i am wrong? Also, like Ursula said God's word is spirit.
God Bless
Sandie
Robert:
I will throw in my 2-cent’s worth regarding hearing the voice of the Father. As Ray has correctly pointed out, Christ came to reveal the Father. When He said ‘no-one has heard his voice’ I believe it was reference to the fact that the God of the Old Testament was Christ, and all visions, voices, leading and appearances was also Christ, not the Father.
All who were faithful in the Old Testament followed the voice of the Shepard, which was and still is Christ. Therefore, when the people present heard the voice of the Father, they may have otherwise thought that this was the same voice that Moses heard, where in fact it was not (Moses heard Christ).
Beloved:
I do not know if this will make any sense to anyone but when I read these types of passages I think that the apostles "remember or recalled " the event like Jesus told them they would...
In the physical ....think about how popular John the Baptist was with the people ... he himelf was in awe at the baptism of Jesus. I think John heard it and possibly some of his followers or perhaps his followers heard only thunder then and now after the fact ....spiritually they knew what was "said. They knew they witness something out of the ordinary and they then left John and followed HIM (who at that time they knew nothing about HIM...think about it...)
Side Note: Call me crazy but I myself have "heard" this passage "spoken" ..two times. Once in a dream and once while reading the Word. Anyone else out there? It doesn't matter if no one else has ....because being the unworthy speck of dust that I am I know what I experienced..even if it sounds absurd.
It is important to remember that when Jesus was physically baptised ...He was washed with physical water.
Jesus is the Word and now we (our minds) are being spiritually washed with the Word (Him).
Baptism is also spiritually symbolic of death . Jesus was baptised physically also to symbolize the spiritual death of self/soul. We can't do this on our own.
Studying the Scriptures renews our mind and strengthens and conforms our souls souls so we can walk with Christ and this too Pleases the Father.
Beloved :) thanks for the spell check
Kat:
Hi Beloved,
Good to hear from you :)
I was thinking first the physical, then the spiritual. Was Jesus' baptism actually the physical example, that was to picture for us what our being baptised into His death represented? Then as He received the Holy Spirit in a physical manifestation, it represented when we receive it spiritually. Was He demonstrating physically what we will experience spiritually? It's interesting that the doves were a sin offering in the OT.
Lev. 5:7 "... two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD; one for a sin offering..."
Christ said in John 5: 37 "...Ye have neither heard His voice at any time..."
So this voice could not have been the Father's 'voice,' because you could say He doesn't have a voice.
Here is a excerpt from the transcript of Ray's 'Love' Bible study.
But you can’t tell ministers of the world, that this is not literally the way it is. They think that God almighty has finger nails, and therefore He must trim them. I wonder what He does with the trimmings. It’s just nonsense.
God does not have two eyes. This Kenneth Copeland, he said God the Father is a 6 foot man. I’m laughing saying this guy is insane. Listen, if God is a man then He has two eyes and that means He can’t see behind His head. Who’s so stupid to say, God can’t see behind His head, come on. God doesn’t have hands and arms or fingers and toes or hair. This is all anthropoid. If He were a man, He would do this by the strength of His arm. But He’s not a man, He’s God, and He’s spirit. Spirit is everywhere.
He talks about those, sitting on His right hand and His left hand. It’s spiritual, He has no right hand and left hand. He means if He were like a king on the physical earth, those that sit on His right hand, would be of a greater elevated position, than those on His left. He’s talking spirit, it’s a spiritual analogy. God doesn’t sit on a throne.
GOD IS EVERYWHERE! God is Spirit and God is invisible. Now that’s what He is.
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I do believe they heard a voice, but it wasn't the Father's voice. But He could use anything in the creation to speak for Him. I beliece it was an angel. Look at this from Rev., I think this could have been the angel that spoke.
Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel coming down out of the heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire.
v. 3 And he cried with a loud voice, like a lion roaring. And when he had cried, seven thunders spoke their sounds.
v. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke their sounds, I was about to write. And I heard a voice from Heaven saying to me,
I not sure if this all fits together right, but this is some things I found interesting.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Chris R:
and he saw [eido] "perceived" the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
God spirit decended "like" a dove, And "A" Voice from heaven said: This is my beloved Son.
And were was the witness? Christ had left the waters. Were was Matthew Mark Luke?...They had not been chosen as yet..So who recorded this wonderous event?...It was none other that Christ himself that taught this to his apostles.
And what did he teach them? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Chris R
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