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Questions on Christs baptism
sansmile:
Great thread!!
(Joh 10:24) Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
(Joh 10:25) Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
(Joh 10:26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
(Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Praise God
Sandie x
ciy:
Following verses may lend some guidance. I think it was more like a sign to people. It thundered or they heard a noise at that particular moment.
Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
CIY
Bill:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on June 15, 2007, 03:10:22 PM ---Hi BK & Craig,
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
I know that when I try to figure out the power and majesty of God my puny brain just cannot fathom very much at all.
The message that was proclaimed at the Lord's baptism was from the Father but was it really His voice? Do we presently have the technology to synthesize vocal communication? Could the Father have just manipulated the wind, air, water or whatever to proclaim His pleasure? Would He be limited to using His Spiritual vocal chords?
This is what came to mind when I saw this question presented.
His power is beyond our comprehension.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for taking the time to respond but I am afraid in order for me to understand what you are saying you will have to possibly simplify what it is you are saying.
What I think you are saying is that it was not Gods voice but God caused something oe some one else to speak on his behalf. Am I close?
Thanks
Bill:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 15, 2007, 03:41:49 PM ---Hi BK,
--- Quote ---There is scripture that state no man has seen God but are there any that say no man has not heard God?
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
So who is the ye? "Ye have neither heard his voice at any time"
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The ye is the Jews that Jesus was speaking to. This statement that He made would mean anyone I would think.
Joh 5:18 Then, because of this, the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the sabbath, but also said that God was His father, making Himself equal with God.
v. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of Himself but what He sees the Father do. For whatever things He does, these also the Son does likewise.
v. 37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.
The word 'heard' in verse 37;
G191
akouō
A primary verb; to hear (in various senses): - give (in the) audience (of), come (to the ears), ([shall]) hear (-er, -ken), be noised, be reported, understand.
The Father has the whole heavenly host at His service to do whatever He commands. So it would seem these messengers would be used to speak for God when needed.
Rev 5:2 "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice..."
Rev 14:15 "And another angel came out of the temple, crying in a great voice..."
Rev 19:17 "And I saw one angel standing in the sun. And he cried with a great voice..."
I hope this helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
p.s. I like what you said Joe, certainly God could use any means to speak.
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If God was using an Angel or some thing else to do his speaking I would thin the verse would say some thing like "Thou art God the fathers beloved Son, in whom he is well pleased." and not "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Thanks
Bill:
--- Quote from: sansmile on June 15, 2007, 04:47:47 PM ---Great thread!!
(Joh 10:24) Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
(Joh 10:25) Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
(Joh 10:26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
(Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Praise God
Sandie x
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Hi Sandie,
(Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
This is Christs Sheep that hears Christs voice, is it not? Or can some hear Gods voice?
Thanks
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