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Why are we so annoyed when they don't get the truth ?
mrsnacks:
I can hear frustration in Ray's voice at times in the audio messages and in his written comments responding to emails from those who can't see. I do the same thing. I have those in Christendom who can't hear what I am saying and it is clearly in God's Word. Then frustration sets in sometimes. Do you get frustrated or annoyed ? Should we? Because if they can't see or hear until God opens their eyes and ears - why do we think it depends on us in a little way.
Maybe the word " annoyed " is too strong of a word but I admit when explaining the truths to someone - I tend to get impatient and desire for them to see what I see because God has revealed it to me.
mari_et_pere:
I know what you mean. Annoyed is a good word to use. It's simply our carnal, human mind's nature to get annoyed. It's a character flaw basically. We all do it. If anyone denies it they're lying. ;D
That's not to say we all get annoyed at the same things, but we do all get annoyed at something. Other times I get annoyed: trying to train people at my job, trying to steer my kids in the right direction, trying to save money, trying to use my broken mouse for the past couple weeks [thank God I have a new one now ;D] etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Matt
YellowStone:
Hi Mr Snacks,
I of course cannot speak for Ray, but I strongly believe that you are not hearing anoyance, but possibly amusement.
Here is why I say this:
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
However, God has clearly brought Ray to Christ and he would certainly be aware of what it means. :)
Rom 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whohave been called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
How can anyone become annoyed because those who have not been given the ears to hear, simply cannot. Ray I believe is totally detached from any personel emotion, he is simply calling it how it is given him to call.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But only those with ears that CAN hear, no other.
This is a very important lesson for each of us. For by whose mouth are the words coming from, our own, or the Spirits? Ones reaction will answer that.
Much love to you in Christ Jesus,
Darren
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: mari_et_pere on June 16, 2007, 01:56:56 PM ---I know what you mean. Annoyed is a good word to use. It's simply our carnal, human mind's nature to get annoyed. It's a character flaw basically. We all do it. If anyone denies it they're lying. ;D
That's not to say we all get annoyed at the same things, but we do all get annoyed at something. Other times I get annoyed: trying to train people at my job, trying to steer my kids in the right direction, trying to save money, trying to use my broken mouse for the past couple weeks [thank God I have a new one now ;D] etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Matt
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Great answer Matt, for this is something that I have been giving a lot of thought to. If I choose to become frustrated or annoyed, what am I really doing? The answer is simple: God why did you let that HAPPEN??? Because, if God had done what I wanted, I wouldn't need to get annoyed right? WRONG!!!! ;D
God has so graciously provided the tools and the mechanisms to overide our carnal nature, and one is being granted the eyes to see ones carnal nature for exacly what it is! Not Pretty sometimes.
I really do not believe that Ray get's annoyed to much, and if he does, then he see's it as his own failing and learns from it.
I really should not be speaking for Ray, but this is what the Spirit and Scripures teach. Am I wrong?
Love to You Brother,
Darren
mrsnacks:
I don't want anyone here to misunderstand me. I just sense this from Ray and I do it myself but not even knowing that I do it. Maybe he was tired.
I said some things in Bible class a few weeks ago and my wife said there was frustration in my voice in trying to communicate to others there. I didn't know I sounded frustrated. The subject was free will. And I just was trying to explain that free will is a myth. That no one comes to God except he be dragged. No one chooses but He chooses us. But it seemed even with quoting scripture it goes over people's heads. They have ears but they don't hear.
The assistant pastor held up a twenty dollar bill in front of us all. And said this is a gift . One must get up and receive the gift. The gift is free he said but it doesn't become yours until you come forward and get it from me. I raised my hand and said that his analogy was flawed in a sense. Sounds good but when it comes to salvation - we aren't able to get up and even come forward to get the gift. No one is able to come. I said your analogy should be that God is holding His free gift but we are sitting with no legs to come forward or hands to grab it. We are unable and to top it off no one chooses. The unbeliever doesn't want the gift to begin with. I don't think he liked what I said. Another lady wanted to hold on to her free will and it was her that chose to come forward and used her common sense to accept Christ.
I said it is possible I am wrong. But if I am wrong - I am at least giving God the total credit in the salvation process and admitting I can do nothing. I am dead spiritually. How can a dead person do anything unless God gives him/ her life. A dead person can have 10 legs but if he is dead they won't do him any good.
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