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Why are we so annoyed when they don't get the truth ?

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Kat:

Hi rvhill,

I think I see what your getting at.
I was thinking that being disappointed that someone did not see what you were saying, was not a negetive emotion.
But any degree of frustration we show, would not be a positive emotion, because God works all things through us. 
So if we are frustrated, it is actually with God and what He is doing through us  :-\
And looking at it like that, I can see it is the beast.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

fe32k:
I have a lot of family members that I led into the pentecostal religion. I was someone they looked up to for biblical advice and one whom was very respected from those that followed into the church after I joined. I spent two years in that system, always questioning everything and being rebuked for my curiosity and doubtfulness. Ray's teaching was the nudge I needed to get out of there, becuase I knew everything was wrong I just couldnt put my finger on it. I couldn't prove it indefinitely. I feel responsible for my family members who are struggling fanancially and giving away money that they could use. So yea it ANNOYS me very much. I love my family very much and I just wish they would see things for what they are. Church gives them a sense of security, and even if it is wrong they will not let go. I dont think this annoyance is rooted from hatred or anger, but more from compassion and love. I just wish God would one day use me to lead them out of the mess that I helped them get into. In the meantime prayer and faith is what I have, I am just glad they are not in danger of eternal hell fire. Then I would act in desperation.

Roy

mrsnacks:
Is annoyance really from the beast within ? Isn' t it a good thing to be annoyed about the right things ? Things that are not righteous. Isn't it also a good thing to be frustrated ? Aren't these things a barometer of us spiritually ? A willingness to have all we come in contact with to get the truth of what God is saying.
Wasn't Jesus annoyed when He spoke to the Pharisees and said what He said to them. Or at times with His own disciples when they didn't get it especially in the garden when the Lord caught them sleeping. How about Paul in Athens seeing all the idols. He was distressed. I think Kat had it right. There are different degrees of frustration. I am sure if all here were to sit at the average church service every Sunday we all would feel the frustration to a certain degree.

Someone mentioned Ray being on the front lines. In a sense I agree and disagree. In a way we all are. Yes Ray gets hit with emails but we would all to if we had our own site. Many here may not be ready to have a site or may not be called to. Others I think are really in the front lines where their lives are at stake. Being a believer in China or in an Arab country can get your head removed. At least on the net it is just words. But words do hurt.

I see it as we are in God's army. In a battle there are ones that are sent in the front lines of battle. Others are in the air force and bomb from above. Still others are in different positions during the battle. Reinforcement troops if needed. Doctors and nurses. There are those who make the weapons from the factories. Leaders who plan out strategies and ones responsible for food deliveries etc.

My point is each aspect is important. You are in a position that is unique. We are all a light unto the world.
Wherever we are we are to let our light ( Jesus ) shine where there is darkness. We are the salt as well.
Speaking the truth in love. But BT is a great place. A bootcamp to train us in the truths of God. A place of fellowship.  It is preparing us fro what is ahead.

I sat in Bible Sunday school and church today. IT was really hard. I just don't want to go. God has used me to reach a few already. But most see the Scriptures as stories. Stories for us to learn from. LIke a history lesson. And then it is legalism. God says do this and don't do that and that we all need to trust Him more and pray more and do more for God. Same old same old. The message is we need to be better christians.
We would be if we would all be more like Christ and with His help we all can be. That is the message today from Christendom. The message is smile to the person next to you and tell them God loves them or give your tithes and God will pour out a blessing a hundred fold. Hearing this every Sunday morning and Sunday school is weighing on me. When I do speak out it is like speaking Chinese. No one understands.

I told my wife I really don't want to go anymore. IT is like sitting in a closed garage while the car inside there is running. The fumes will harm your health and eventually kill you. The fumes are the false teachings. The garage is the institutional church. The car the preacher. I want to turn off the car but don't have the keys. So what do I do ? Get out of the garage.

Craig:
Snacks,

What's happening to you now has happened to allot of us here.  I sounds like God is calling you out of babylon. :)

Craig

mrsnacks:
I have been called out a long time ago really. I never fit in. This time I have attended this church long enough to have been used by God to reach a few. And now that they have been reached I think it is time for me to not go. It is just killing me to sit through the sermons and teachings. And it can't be healthy spiritually to hear all the false teachings. I stayed for the sake of the few. I knew there were a few going that something was not right within themselves. I sensed it from them and a great relationship based on truth came from that. But I think the rest ( I may be wrong ) are happy in Babylon. They love the legalism. They love free will. They think they see and are not blind. I feel sad about the whole thing.

You know many years ago I used to think I wasn't a Christian really because I just couldn't sit through watching TBN or listen to Christian talk radio. It would make me sick. There were families I knew at the time that would have TBN on 24 hours a day practically. I guess Pharisees love being Pharisees.

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