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Kat:
Hi Prosizz,
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
v. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
v. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Here are the scripture, how can you say this is not referring to the Christian churches. I know they and I use to too, say they are worshipping the Lord, and it is Him they love. But can you really separate the church from the doctrines they embrace.
Mar 7:7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
And who was Christ talking to in Matt. 7?
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (Maybe you could also say, sing praises to Your name)
v. 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
God being sovereign we are in God's will whether we are in the church or not.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Randy, was this directed to me?
--- Quote ---Why would you want to? "Do NOT tempt the LORD thy God." for he is a Jealous God.
--- End quote ---
No one said anything about "wanting" or "needing" to, what I said was not being afraid to. :)
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
I will stand by what I said. I have no desire to attend any church, yet I am NOT AFRAID to do so. Surely the church building must be seen for what it is, just another part of the valley of the shadow of death. I will not fear the evil within because the staff of God will comfort me and his sheild will protect me.
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Would I happily let my wife, sister or daughter attend a smoke ridden dark room filled with deviates of all kinds, alone? Heck no, but many happily I let the same walk into a church alone and unprotected. WHY? ???
Why if it is the most evil place on Earth? One last point. When I walk through the doors of the Church, I do NOT leave God on the front doorstep, and neither does He leave me. Neither the church or Satan is any match for God's will. Never was and never will be, and that is a God given Truth. :)
Thanks and love in Christ,
Darren
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 19, 2007, 10:28:37 AM ---Hi Prosizz,
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
v. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
v. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Here are the scripture, how can you say this is not referring to the Christian churches. I know they and I use to too, say they are worshipping the Lord, and it is Him they love. But can you really separate the church from the doctrines they embrace.
Mar 7:7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
And who was Christ talking to in Matt. 7?
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (Maybe you could also say, sing praises to Your name)
v. 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
God being sovereign we are in God's will whether we are in the church or not.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Kat, I can't help feel that you are denying God from having any power, ability or right to work in the hearts of some within the church. Are you saying that God did not partially open your eys and ears while you were yet in the church? Did you fight God, or did you accept Him for the truth that was given you?
I never "knew" the God of the church, I always thought I was doing something wrong. I could not believe the "truth" they taught, for it misaligned with the the truth/Spirit in my heart. Truly, when I sang those songs, I sang them to the God that had made himself known to me. I simply could not sing to any other. This is no lie.
But you are VERY correct when you said: "God being sovereign we are in God's will whether we are in the church or not."
So let us never restrict God to the level of our understanding. :)
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
With Love in the name of our Christ and Saviour,
Darren
rk12201960:
Ok Darren as it is but I also think "how can a man put fire to his bosom and not get burned?
I guess it comes down to whom to do you love more?
as for me I will NOT enter into such a place because its a killing field of Gods truths.
As for fear what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Why should your spouse stop going if you still are?
Randy
rocky:
what amazes me, is that most here would be very cautious in saying they are chosen, the elect. They are hoping so. But since only a few are chosen, guess what, most of us are all worshiping satan too, and thinking we arent' because we don't believe in free will, or because we dont' believe in hell.
Whatever happened to believing in the resurrection? There are many individuals in the church who put there faith in the resurrected Christ.
Antichrist's are those who deny Jesus come in the flesh. If he didn't come in the flesh, then he never rose again.
Where is the line? where is the line?
time for me to take a long break from here.
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