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skydreamers:

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Personally I think I will be "coming out of her" all the days of my life.  I don't think there is a time we are out completely and that's it, we're done with Babylon, it's behind us.  That is, not while we are in the flesh.  To me, Babylon is so much more than just a church system.  Not all of us grew up in a church.  I spent my whole life seeking for truth in all sorts of strange places, and God still shockingly reveals the islands, mountains, trees and grass to me that have had their tentacles in me since times before I became a Christian.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html

All these things take a lifetime. We’re going to live “the seals”. A third part of the men died: that’s a third part of the man in us that is going to die. A third part of the carnality. God works in increments, you see. He wipes out some of the trees, and then He burns the grass…what is the trees and the grass? These are all things in us. We have islands, and mountains, and trees, and grass. All of these are belief systems and ideas and doctrines and philosophies of life and all these things. And they are all going to be burned out and broken down and destroyed. All of those seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues: they are all things that must happen in our lives.
Peace,
Diana

(Rocky, I hope you won't stay away too long.... ;))
 

Prosizz:
Oh sure Randy, this is a place of worship. Perhaps you have a different definition of worship than I do but beleive me if you please, this sure is a place of worship.

I come here to learn, to be admonished and to be encouraged in my walk with Christ. The time spent here is part of my worship to the lord. Worship does just consist of sing, or being in a building somewhere with people prostating oneself on the floor or in some trance. Believers are the church and and we, every single one of us, are the temple of the spirit. Therefore all I do day in and day out is part of my worship to the Lord. The only question is what type of worship I have, a carnal one or spiritual one but make no mistake, this sure a place of worship.

Kat:

Maybe if we look at this portion of Ray's article no. 10 'WHERE IS THE CHURCH THAT JESUS BUILT?' it will help our understanding on this.

http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html --------------------------------------------------------------

"THE" CHURCH VS. "MY" CHURCH

During Jesus’ ministry, He spoke of "the" church and "My" church. There already existed "the church" (Matt. 18:17), at the very time that Jesus said He would build "MY CHURCH" (Matt. 16:18). For fifteen centuries God established Israel as a church:

"This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, ‘A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear.’ This is HE, that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spoke to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers WOULD NOT OBEY, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt" (Acts 7:37-39).

DEFINING "CHURCH"

Just what is a "church?" Strong’s Greek Dictionary, #1570. ekklesia, a calling out. (1b) Ekklesia, from ek, "out of," and klesis, "a calling…" So the church is those whom God has CALLED OUT to be His "called out ones," hence, Jesus said, "So the last shall be first, and the first shall be last [sorry, don’t have time to explain this unique statement of our Lord]: for many be called, but few chosen." I will take the time to explain this second statement, however.

Notice that the "called" and the "chosen" cannot be the same group, as one is "many" and the other is "few." God has given us a general statement as to whom He has called and whom He has not called. We already know the number of those called is "many." Now we will see the two general classifications of those called:

A QUICK HISTORY OF THE CHURCH BEFORE REVELATION

Jesus Christ said,

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter [a movable stone], and upon this rock [Christ, the immovable boulder] I will build MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell [Greek: hades, the unseen realm of the dead] shall NOT prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

What did Jesus mean that the "gates of hades would not prevail against it?" This word "prevail" was translated from the Greek word katischuo and it means, "to overpower." It is used but one other time in Scripture and here we shall see exactly what this word means:

"And they [the chief priests] were instant with loud voices, requiring that He [Jesus] might be crucified. And the voices of them of the chief priests prevailed… And when they were come to the place which is called Calvary, there they CRUCIFIED Him…" (Luke 23:23 & 33).

The chief priests "prevailed" [katischuo] by putting Jesus Christ TO DEATH. But Jesus said that the "gates of hades [realm of the DEAD] will not prevail [katischuo] against it." In other words, His Church would NEVER be overpowered to death.

And so, the Church that Jesus Christ built is still around today.

On Pentecost, Jesus Christ came back to His disciples just as He said He would. He came back as the Comforter. Jesus said that they absolutely could NOT receive the Comforter until He went away. Why? Because Jesus Christ IS THE COMFORTER, but not in the flesh, but in THE SPIRIT!

It was on Pentecost that the first members of the Church of Christ received the Holy Spirit Comforter, just as He symbolized to them when He blew on them, showing that He Himself would come to them in spirit by the will of God. Now for the first time, His disciples were truly converted, baptized in Holy Spirit, possessing the mind of Christ, lead into all Truth (Jesus) by the Comforter—Jesus was NOW BUILDING HIS CHURCH!

"But the Comforter [Greek, parakletos, also called the Consoler, and in I John 2:1, Advocate in KJV, and Entreater in the CLNT] which IS the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).

The Advocate or Entreater in I John 2:1 IS the parakletos, The Comforter or Consoler of John 14:26 IS the parakletos,. and we are told that it is Jesus Christ Himself. Furthermore, the "Holy Spirit" that is said to come AS the Comforter is also Jesus Christ,

"Now the Lord IS that Spirit: and where the Spirit OF THE Lord [Jesus Christ] is, there is liberty" (II Cor. 3:17

PERSECUTION COMES QUICKLY

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" (II Tim. 3:11).

Those are the words of Paul, and he should know, HE WAS THE CHURCH’S BIGGEST PERSECUTOR!

"And Saul [Paul] was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was A GREAT PERSECUTION AGAINST THE CHURCH which was at Jerusalem, and they were ALL scattered abroad through the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles" (Acts 8:1).

And just who was behind this persecuting of the Church of God? Answer: The other Church of God that was also headquartered in Jerusalem!!!

"And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter [murder] against the disciples of the Lord [that would be Christ’s Church], went unto the HIGH PRIEST [of the OTHER Church of God, in the TEMPLE—remember back in Acts 2:46 where the Church of Christ was ‘continuing daily with one accord?’ Yes, that temple!]

And [Saul] desired of him LETTERS [letters of authorization from the highest level of God’s Church—the HIGH PRIEST] to Damascus…"

Letters for the purpose of continuing his persecution and slaughter of Christ’s New Church. I told you it is not pretty picture.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his OWN HOUSEHOLD" (Matt. 10:34-36).

Do you think that maybe a man’s foes could even be of his OWN CHURCH?
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat

mrsnacks:
Hi Skydreamers :

You interpret the trees and the grass as things in us. How did you come up with that interpretation and how do you know that it is the true meaning ? For example Hal Lindsey will say that the locusts mentioned in Revelation are helicopters. Locusts sound like miniature helicopters and have the faces of men when you can see into a helicopter. I am using this strange example I know. But one will say that is your interpretation. A third of men will die but you say a third of us as a man needs to die. It clearly says a third of "men" not man. Ray also says that the words God speaks to us are spirit - so does that mean the you can't take anything literal ?
Is it all symbols ? Thanks

YellowStone:
Hi MrSnacks,

I shouldn't butt in but what the heck :)

Diana, only used what she as learned and applied it her own life.

She did kindly quote from where the words she used came:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html

You ask, "does that mean the you can't take anything literal?" no, not at all. Christ did walk this Earth, die and was raised. If we do not believe then we deny Christ himself, and of what use is faith. I think Paul speaks of this somewhere.

Ray, himself speaks of the entire bible as being one big parable. Meaning of course that while some of it is literal, it is all symbolic or has a deeper meaning than may be immediately seen.

I hope this helps,
Darren

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