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skydreamers:
Hi Susan,

My prayers are with you in this time of struggle.  I can totally see what a dilemma you are in.  You want to do the very best for your child.  I will pray that God will reveal to you His will in the matter.

Having said that, I can only give you my opinion as I see it, but certainly I can't say if it is right or wrong.

I do think the scripture you are referring to is to be taken predominantly in a spiritual sense, for those of us who are being lead to see deeper truths...

For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 3:6-7

Susan, I think this is referring to not letting the lies and deception that are being taught and supported by many Christians into your "spiritual house".  Among them, there is opportunity for the light of Jesus to shine through you onto them, Lord willing.  But in keeping with what this thread is about, whether in the world, or in the church system, we will always come up against Babylonian confusion, and we are not to spiritually partake of her plagues.  You have been given a measure of sight, to discern that some of these blind people will "never be able to arrive at a knowledge of truth" (in this age).  Hold fast to what you know, and live in the truth you have, standing your ground. 

And if the house (their spiritual house) is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.
Matthew 10:13-14

You do not, as I see it, have to physically remove yourself from their presence, but this does seem to be a warning not to "cast your pearls before pigs", who have not yet been chosen by God to see.  You can no longer spiritually fellowship with them.

Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
Matthew 7:6

   

To refer back to a wonderfully stated post by Josh:


--- Quote ---When one reads or speaks of "coming out" of the church... is one to take this literally, as to no longer set foot in a physical building? or associate with a particular physical group of people?

Or is this a spiritual command? To spiritually become detached from the carnal/fleshly doctrines associate with Babylon? Is this simply a state of spiritual maturity, a progression beyond settling for the milk and moving on to the true meat of the Word?

Is it a one time occurrence? or is it part of dying daily.... does it have an is, was and will be application?

Can one ever totally "come out" of Babylon while we are still in the flesh?

Or perhaps we are again facing another "parable"?

The truth of the matter is... it won't matter how long this thread becomes or how many people get involved or how many scriptures are quoted or how many quotes one may give from Ray's various articles, emails and letters... God has us all at different places, all looking at the same thing from different angles and through different lenses.

Perhaps we can all rest assured that God has us all exactly where He desires us to be at this very moment.

--- End quote ---

May God give you wisdom
Peace and luv to ya,
Diana

hebrewroots98:
Diana, God bless you  and thank you all for the prayers and taking the time and conern to assist me with these issues!  I know this may seem simple to some of you to deal with , but, I get stuck sometimes and have to take some quiet time and reflect on the big picture and get reoriented to the truth of the matter; which is what  I am doing now.

You are so right Diana, I have been looking at the physical instead of the spiritual aspect of that scripture!  I have ben thinking that I would have to physically leave the HS group and put my child's opportunities for education at risk.  I just cannot fellship spiritually with them as you said.  Not that we have ever gotten very deep in spiritual fellowship in the past, but, I will have to bow out when and if the opportunties arise for discussing spiritual issues with them.  (IT IS SOOOO HARD FOR ME TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT ALOT OF TIMES THOUGH!)  I just cannot throw Gods' precious truths before them anymore for them to disrespect, so I will not even bring up the issues unless I see that the peson is seriously wanting to learn the truth.  I will just stivk to the educational element of my relationship with them as well as endure the ostricising that we receive from them and just consider that they are blinded.  It does hurt to be treated this way, but, I'll just have to ignore the hypocritical treatment.   

I appreciate each and everyone on you here!  I guess i will just stay with this group and will not send Daniel to a public Charter school.  I will just not trust them as I once did.  This is a big load off of my shoulders fianlly.  THANK YOU ALL AGAIN.

Beloved:
God sent His "Apostles " out into the world (that world includes Baylon). I really think that is where He wants us to be. We just do not let them into our own spiritual house just yet.

Yesterday I had a guy (very religious type) helping me move some things.  Everytime He said something I would quote him a scripture or two ask him what Jesus meant by that.  A few times he said where does it say that in the Bible and I would pull out my Palm Treos and show him.  I think God used me to prick his gourd ...so to speak.

I do not try to debate or get into lengthy discussion with anyone I only ask  questions or sometimes I actively refute what (when they distort the truth in scriptures) someone has said by saying "it is written" and then giving them the contra scripture. I smile big and show empathy but I just let the Word stand. 

Since I am ....free in Christ...I never worry about their rejections... if I speak to people in a bible study in a church and I am asked to leave ...so what ....I expect that now... I am usually amazed sometimes how long I can make my points before this happens. Now that I moved I will have a whole crop of new churches that I can to go to on Wednesdays.   

If anyone acts interested or is curious then I answer whatever I can. This is whn my ego gets nervous I am usually praying that God help will me because I am the worse chapter and verse quoter and I usually fracture the Scriptures like Bullwinkle's fractured fairy tales (for those who remember these).

I would not agonize over worhing with the Home School People just see them as God's little flock of lost sheep.

beloved

gmik:
Good thoughts Beloved!

Gods little lost flock of sheep.  I like that.

hebrewroots98:
You are right Beloved, as I have always known that HE DOES want us to be in the world and just not of the world; sometimes I just forgot to use the spiritual application/discernment.  I agree and have always had a heart for the lost sheep of the world (including the HS group), b/c i remember what it felt like to be a lost sheep...it was very scary!  Ever since the  first time that I ever read and heard  Matt 28  about going out into all the world and preaching the gospel,  I have always wanted to help others to see Gods truths.

As far as the HS group, well, DH and I finally decided to stay away from them for this next year and to just HS without them (but with other HSers) since it would not be a good learning environment any longer for our son to be around.  Thank you Lord, the problem is solved!  We will see these people occasionally,  and we will be nice, but, we no longer can trust them to have the best interest in mind for assisting and sharing in our child's education.  (Especially after a couple had told their 2 kids to hit my child as hard as they could if they didn't want my child to mess (play) with them...and one of them did do just that to Daniel last year when Daniel was just being a typical boy and was not being hateful to them; whereas my child could have retaliated and used his Karate' on the kid who hurt him, but he loved his enemy and forgave.  We don't need to be around  adults who are  teaching their kids to be violent instead of using their words to communicate and who teach their kids to hate their enemies.)  At least God has answered our prayers and we are still resolved to HS Daniel, just not anymore with this clique of hs families who don't care for us, but pretend that they do when we are around them.

I was not worried about the rejection from the Hsers, but I was wrong to worry about Daniel not having their HS support in a HS environment any longer...(Lord forgive me for not trusting in your providence more in this area.)

I can relate Beloved...I try to not debate or argue the scriptures with anyone.  If they are erring when speaking of scriptures, I will correct them; if they ask a question and I think they are sincerely wanting to know the truth then I will tell them; if they aren't really wanting to know the truth and they just do want to hear, then I will not give them them any precious truths.  I am not saying that I don't get hornswaggled into speaking truths sometimes by people who just want the head knowledge or to test me in what I know, b/c I do get snookered at times by them.   And when I am rejected, I think about how the Lord has not opened their ears and how God will credit me for being persecuted and how He will hold them accountable at the White Throne Judgement: that is all that I can do.  But, you have a great attitude for not taking it personally Beloved when the churches kick you out!  I do not go to a church anymore...but, if He ever leads me back to one and they kick me out, well, then I will just rejoice, knowing that I did the right thing by standing up for the truth.  (DH did this in our last congregation and all of the men still hate him for telling the truth, even though theyknow that he is right.

....thank you all for your prayers to help me to get discernment...it worked ;) 

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