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What does Ray mean about the Bible being a huge parable ?
hillsbororiver:
From;
TWELVE GOD-GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD
(#5) Everything from Genesis to Revelation pertains to a higher SPIRITUAL meaning than the physical examples, parables, metaphors, allegories, stories and symbols in which they are written.
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Joe
mari_et_pere:
Thus, after first being taken physically, we have a deep spiritual meaning in the words. Just adding a thought to the quote Joe brought ya.
Matt
mrsnacks:
I don't know if this should be another thread. I want this to continue by you giving examples of what God has shown you in the story behind the story. Give a verse or two and show the spiritual lesson represented. I am sure that what you will show is contrary to what the natural mind can come up with or even what Christendom teaches. Thanks
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
These emails will help explain the Bible has a physical/literal and a symbolic/spiritual meaning to it. But it takes the Holy Spirit to understand the spiritual interpretation of scripture.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2834.0.html ---------------
Dear Daniel:
I have said many many times the past year or two that WE MUST PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE WORDS!!
When people write in the venacular, it is ASSUMED that their readers have at least a minimum of worldly understanding. When Shakespeare wrote: "Life is but a poor actor who struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. A tale as told full of sound and fury signifying nothing." (or something like that) He was not trying to cover every literaly aspect of human life. Only that in the end, little was accomplished by any one man's existence. (or at least his opinion)
Now then, did not James make the exact same statement as Shakespeare when he wrote: "For what is your life? It is even A VAPOUR, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away" (James 4:14). Yes, that is exactly what Shakespeare said, in fact, I would not doubt that he got his version from James. But do James and Shakespeare LIE? Is not life considerably MORE THAN A VAPOR? It is a generalization in the form of a metaphor to show us a great and grand spiritual truth. And that is precisely what I am doing when I state that "The Bible is One Giant PARABLE." Do you think that I gave no thought at all to what I was saying before shouting that phraise over the worldwide web?
A parable is a physical story which points to a SPIRITUAL TRUTH. As God creates "A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH," just what is there about this present heaven and earth that will "LITERALLY" last eternally? Besides I did not say that "The Bible is One Giant FICTION," now did I? No, I said that the Bible is one giant PARABLE. And the contents of a parable (not the Bible, but a PARABLE, are fictitious. ALL of the "literal" history, etc., in the Bible is NOT THE REAL THING. It is merely the ways and means TO THE REAL THING, which is Spiritual. "First that which is natural; and AFTERWARD that which is SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 15:46).
Now let's look at your example which you seem to think proves my premise wrong:
"To the contrary, a large portion of the scriptures is historical data about literal kingdoms, countries, cities, and people. When Jesus said in John 14:2 I go to prepare a place (Greek word “topos”) for you, He was speaking of a literal location. The greek word “topos” is used over and over again to indicate a literal, physical location."
COMMENT: You are forgetting one thing, Daniel, "The WORDS [as in 'I go to prepare a PLACE...'] that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT...." Oops.
"Moreover, it is my view that there will be a literal beast kingdom that will be given power “over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations”. (Revelations 13:7)."
COMMENT: "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS, and upon his horns TEN CROWNS, and upon his beads the NAME OF BLASPHEMY...like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION...." And you say this is "LITERAL," do you? What beast is there that can first of all "blaspheme?" Have SEVEN HEAD?" With TEN HORNS?" Is a cross between a LEOPARD, BEAR and a LION? And it LIVES IN THE O-C-E-A-N? "Literal?" Am I going to fast for you?
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1944.0.html ---------------
Dear Dave:
More accurately, I have said: "The whole Bible is one giant parable."
By that I mean that virtually nothing is a literal teaching, but a spiritual teaching. From the opening statements concerning "Let us make [be making, or making[ man in Our [spiritual] Image" to "And whosoever will [desires] let him take the water of [spiritual] life freely," the Church has not a clue as to what is being spoken of. Hence, the doctrines of Egypt have replaced the Truths of God's Word. The result is the teaching that God's first plan failed utterly, and plan B doesn't seem to be fairing much better. The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket for all eternity, and there is nothing that God can do to change it or correct it or save humanity. What a crock. A Perfect God does not create eternal failings. All the evils of this modern world are exactly where God foreordained them to be. All is heading for a perfect and flawless and marvelous eternal destiny. "The wise shall understand" (Dan. 12:10).
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2297.0.html ---------------------------
"You shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword-utterly destroying it" (Deut. 13)
I know this isn't to be taken literally, but what exactly does it mean?
~Magen
Dear Magen:
No, it absolutely is to be taken literally. First the PHYSICAL, and then the SPIRITUAL (I Cor. 15:46).
First the PHYSICAL sword and death to the body, then the SPIRITUAL sword and death to the carnal mind (Rev. 19:15). The whole Bible is ONE GIANT PARABLE.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
carol70:
--- Quote from: mrsnacks on June 19, 2007, 01:29:44 PM ---I don't know if this should be another thread. I want this to continue by you giving examples of what God has shown you in the story behind the story. Give a verse or two and show the spiritual lesson represented. I am sure that what you will show is contrary to what the natural mind can come up with or even what Christendom teaches. Thanks
--- End quote ---
A few years ago, when I was trying to figure out some things that were going on in my life, God led me to this verse:
Jeremiah 33
3Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
At the time, I just assumed that He would reveal some things in my carnal life that were unknown to me when He felt I was ready. My carnal mind thought, "Oh goody, I'll finally know what's really going on with so and so." I now realize the great and mighty things were learning His truths. I have prayed to God a zillion times to "show me truths that I do not know", and I had no idea what I was asking for! My carnal mind thought that the fleshy secrets of others were great and mighty things. Oh how wrong I was!
I've been reading more of the bible these days and often I come across a verse or scripture and my eyes will bug out and I will say, "What, where did THAT come from? Has that been in there the whole time? ??? " It's really mind-boggling to read some of the same scriptures I've read over the years and to come away with a completely different understanding.
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