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its about Deut, your imput please.
Robert:
They are difficult scriptures for sure. Many of what you quoted is about war, and war is always ugly. War kills people, and usually the wrong people, the ‘innocent’ people. We can ‘spiritualise’ the wars of the OT and maybe get some spiritual truths, but they did happen, in reality, as described. Children were killed. Men and women died, and so did soldiers. It was ugly. It was a typical war.
World War 2 is a typical example, ending as it did with the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima with thousands of non-military men, women and children vaporised or dying in agony.
Plenty of people have pontificated on what the alternative could have been, but in reality the alternatives would have still been thousands of deaths, and many more allied deaths. What would it have taken in reality to convince the Japanese that the Emperor was not in fact a descendant of the sun god? War is ugly, isn’t it?
War comes down to cold mathematics, strategies and reducing the beliefs of the enemy. There is no ‘noble’ war. Now hold that thought; and read again what and where the wars of the OT were.
Maybe you would like to suggest what you or your friend would have done if you had the choice of dropping the bombs on Japan or not? Would you have prayed to God for guidance? What could have been the possible answers? (No, bomb Tokyo instead. Or, don’t use the nuclear bombs, continue with the fire-bombs, or perhaps just give up and go home, and let the Japanese have their way). I say this because there is no easy answer; the Israelites were faced with crush or be crushed. And they did pray to God, just like you and I would have.
Your friend may conclude that wars are about religion. Well, Atheism supposedly had an answer but Mao, Marx, Lenin and Castro have yet to deliver and their record so far isn’t good. War is from sin, and the sinful heart has to be destroyed.
Sorin:
Forget it.......
Kat:
Maybe this subject is just something that we can not understand while we are in the flesh, and do not fully have the mind of Christ.
But should not be a point of contention, because what happened is what God desired, whether we agree or not.
Isa 45:9 "Woe to him who strives with his Maker, an earthen vessel with the potter! Does the clay say to Him who fashions it, 'What are you making'? or 'Your work has no handles'?
Here's an email from Ray.
Dear Ray,
Why did God command Israel to murder in the OT despite the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill"? Didnt Jesus say, "love your enemies"?
Thanks for everything, God has truly blessed me through your site. Hope to hear from you soon God bless.
Joed
Dear Joed:
You have it completely backwards: God commanded Israel to "kill" their enemies, however, the seventh commandment is "thou shalt not MURDER." The same holds for the New Tesament commandment (Matt. 5:21). The translators didn't quite get that one right. God used his physical nation of Israel to Judge the heathens in the land of Canaan, where as in the future God will use his Spiritual Nation of Israel to Judge the whole word system of Babylon the Great.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
aktikt:
There are times when God gives us all the knowledge about something and times when He doesn't.
KJV - King James
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
However, we must go about our search for what we don't know in faith that God is good and perfect despite appearances to the contrary.
YLT - Young's Literal
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;
Jesus gives us confidence that we can overcome extreme obstacles.
KJV - King James
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
We have a High Priest who understands and shares / shared our weaknesses.
KJV - King James
Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
Hbr 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we mayobtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
So, ask, seek, and knock and the door will be opened to you. But, don't ask, seek, and knock unless you believe and trust God to give you a fish instead of a serpent.
Josh
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