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How does God transform us within ?
mrsnacks:
But is this the case for example with God using my wife to tell me where I have gone astray? Doesn't God speaks through people right? Then even when someone says something or points something out, I still repeat and walk like I am blind. It is like a child. Sometimes you have to tell them "no" or "don't " quite a few times until they get it.
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: carol70 on June 20, 2007, 01:40:55 PM ---Many are called, few are chosen...and not everyone is called.
So the ones who are never called live in the same carnality all the days of their lives, right?
I don't think our growth in Him is small. When I was 17 I told my mom I was done with church, that I saw no reason to go. When I was 27 I felt God calling me back into the church. And now, at 37, He's called me out of the church. My growth in Him has been nothing short of miraculous, yet I still have such a long way to go.
Apparently, this process of circumcising the flesh can't happen overnight. I mean it could, if God chose it to be that way, but I guess He has His reasons for taking His time.
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This seems awkward to me. If we desire to walk in the Spirit, desire transformation and want to be overcomers but we are not chosen to be - then are we spinning our wheels going nowhere? Is our Father like that ?
I picture a child coming up to His dad and asking him to show him how to play ball. And his dad is a great ball player and coach. And the kid really wants to learn and the dad says no. I know you want to learn about baseball and play and I can teach you and show you but I don't want to. But I will teach your brother instead.
I know my illustration is a bit cold so don't jump all over me ( smile). But this chosen thing needs to be explained to me. There are many believers who struggle and want to overcome the flesh and be transformed. But to say that maybe it is not chosen for them to be strikes me a little cold. I am just being honest.
carol70:
--- Quote from: mrsnacks on June 20, 2007, 01:44:48 PM ---But is this the case for example with God using my wife to tell me where I have gone astray? Doesn't God speaks through people right? Then even when someone says something or points something out, I still repeat and walk like I am blind. It is like a child. Sometimes you have to tell them "no" or "don't " quite a few times until they get it.
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God uses all sorts of methods to speak to us. But revealing a blind spot and being purified and circumcised of the blind spot are completely different things. We have to be brought to repentance first. And we can't by our own strength remove our own sin - God has to do it for us. It's like finding out you have cancer. You can find out it's there, but someone else has to cut or burn it out of you. At least that's the way I see it. :)
1 John 1
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
ciy:
Mrsnacks
Not to worry, if you want to be one of the elect then you are one of the elect if you are faithful to the end. Just like Caleb and Joshua who did not want to go back to Egypt (the false doctrines taught in churches) but wanted to stay faithful to the end. There are so many examples throughout the bible, but the one of the strongest to me is Phillippians 3:11-15
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
I believe if you want to be chosen you are "apprehended" and should press on for that mark set before you (faithful to the end) and not be like Judas who was called and chosen but was not faithful.
Just believe and press on.
CIY
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
What I understand is that this present age is was never God's intention to bring the vast majority of mankind into the knowledge of the truth. Everything that is happening, every single interaction we have, is part of God's plan/purpose to develop all of the unique people we have in the world. So the whole world, that incliudes all of Christianity go about there lives exactly according to the purpose of God, but are blind to the truth. This age is for mankind to learn by having an experience of good and evil. The exception to this is the few God has specially chosen to prepare for a certain purpose.
When God begins to open the eyes of one of His chosen, I believe He works through everything in our lives to transform us exactly as He wants us, and at the pace He chooses.
This is part of the Lake of Fire article on free will part c. This article goes a lot into the experience that mankind is having now.
http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html --------------------------------
THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH GOD CREATED EVIL
This is all the strange work of God. There is no free will about it. We are all born out of a dark womb into the natural light of day, but this too is but a parable. We must be “born again” out of spiritual darkness of this age into the glorious light of the Sun of God. It is a painful journey, and requires an experience of evil to accomplish.
“It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it” (Concorant Old Testament).
Now we can easily understand what is being said in this verse.
This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! Most translations have hidden the meaning of this verse of Scripture. The translations just couldn’t believe that God would do such a thing. They see it all around them. They see it in thousands of Scriptures, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to come right out and say it, as God obviously has stated in the original Hebrew of this verse.
“It is an EXPERIENCE of EVIL that God has given to the sons of humanity to HUMBLE them by it.”
And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:
“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…” (Ecc. 2:23).
The destiny of the human race is indeed GLORIOUS, but the journey is filled with evil and sorrow. This not to say that there are not many beautiful and good things in life, but for most the misery far far outweighs the pleasurable.
Do not be deceived: when Jesus said—“…I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10), He was surely not speaking about this life, now, in the flesh! Contrary to the evil teachings of prosperity ministers, Jesus never promised us LARGER HOMES AND GREATER MATERIAL POSSESSIONS after we start following in His steps.
Jesus said that if we leave our parents, families, houses and possessions for His sake that we would receive a hundred fold of parents, families, houses and possessions NOW. But He was not speaking of receiving back NOW, these same PHYSICAL parents, families, and possessions, but rather the families and possessions we would receive NOW would be SPIRITUAL.
Does anyone really believe that if we leave our PHYSICAL PARENTS that He will give us another, different set of PHYSICAL PARENTS? Well, yes, I guess there are those who are so spiritually ignorant that they might really believe that they will receive a brand new set of BIRTHING PARENTS to take the place of the ones they left. However, the truth is: “…the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT…” (John 6:63).
God created man in a “marred” condition, but God’s plan has no mars whatsoever. It was not wrong or a sin for God to create mankind in a “marred” condition. It was a perfect plan. It is now and always will be a perfect plan.
God has always worked all things after the counsel of His Own will. His plan needs no midstream adjustments, corrections, or refinements. It cannot be improved upon. It cannot be added to or detracted from. IT IS PERFECT. GOD IS PERFECT. ALL WILL TURN OUT PERFECT. WE ALL WILL BE PERFECT BECAUSE GOD WILL BE “ALL IN ALL”! I believe it. I hope you do too.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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