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Back to Babylon?
Kat:
I wanted very much to raise my girls in church, because I was homeschooling, and so I did.
They did learn the basic Bible stories, but I was reading them Bible stories at home too. I also taught Suday school classes, so I was even with them there some times.
They did have some good friends there too.
I was ignorant to the truth at that time, but it is where God kept me for 25 years :-\
And that was when I was very seriously about it, during my adult life.
I am so thankful to be out, and can not imagine a situation where I would have to return to it, even for a visit. None of my girls attended now, and I did not try to sway them one way are the other. I always knew they were in church, because I was, that's was one of the reason why I was so committed.
This is my experience, I do not regret it, because I think God taught me a great deal while I was there.
But now I would say it is not an appropriate place for children to learn about God. Anyone here could do a much better job themselves.
Like I said this is my experience and personal opinion.
I realize some of your situations are difficult and you are doing the best you can. Just pray for God's guidance, and do as your heart guides you :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
jackson:
Great post Diana, we are of the same mind on this, however you expresed yourself much better than I did. ;D
Kat, I agree with you 100%. Everything you said was right on. I do not agree that church is an appropriate place for children to learn about God either. But wouldn't you agree that even if they don't go to church they are still being bombarded with mans idea of God or atleast mans idea of a god? They can't escape the ideology no matter where they are. Thats why we're here; right?
Jackson
mari_et_pere:
Wow...thanks for all the well thought and un-attacking responses! ;D
I hear many of you say 'stay away from Babylon' but Jackson is 100% dead on the money when he says that we can't. WE CAN'T. Unless any of you guys stay out of town, grow ALL your own food and make your own clothes and work from home then your kids see way more of Babylon than you think. You drive to the store? What do you pass on the way there? What have they seen on TV? What about at school? Radio? CDs they listen to? Books and magazines they read? What do they see at the stores and malls?
I moved away from the city 7 years ago. We live in the country on a state route. Of course we commute to nearby towns every day, but when I visit a big city, woah. :o I grew up in a big city, now I'm not so used to it. We go to a mall, and my gosh kids are bombarded with the wordly things in life there. It's kind of sobering. I think 'how did I grow up to be okay when I was so influenced by stuff?' You won't like the answer, but going to church and a christian school coerced me into leaning toward God a little more than toward the world.
I want my kids to at least lean the way I did. I made many mistakes, went through my falling away period and all that, (I was pretty insane for a couple years, lucky to not be in prison right now) but I came back home to God. I hope they will too, if they ever do fall away. Sunday school is basically fellowship time for kids. They'll learn Jesus Loves Me and John 3:16, paint a picture for me and their mom, make a craft that falls apart on Monday, get a little bag of candy and maybe get a face painting every so often. When they're into their teen years I'll give them more to digest. My oldest is 9 so I have a few years. [GULP!!!] :o
My issue with these little kids is this: They're too young to swallow the spiritual knowledge we have. They have plenty of room for milk, but the meat is too much for young ones. Once they hit the fabled "age of accountability" then maybe they can take some meat. And I'd love to see the look on the pastor's face when they ask him questions like "Daddy says you're wrong and here's the scriptures to prove it." ;D ;D
Anyways, thank you all for the responses! I'd love to hear any more thoughts if you have them.
Matt
fe32k:
As Jackson says, Babylon is all around us. Ok, thats true. The influence of the Harlot church is everywhere and especially in America.
The air all around us is about 80% Nitrogen. It's everywhere. But if I throw my children in a room that is 98% nitrogen they will suffocate. See what I am saying? Just because it is all around does not mean we should inhale larger amounts. If a little is not good for you, then a lot is just that much worst.
Diana, When the word says worship in TRUTH, I take it to mean that if we do not worship in the truth then the worship is not accepted. The church throws their arms in the air and hold hands and cry all because it makes THEM feel good. This Kingdom is not about what feels good to you or to others. It's about what IS righteous and acceptable unto the Lord. It is about Obedience. You can't be something inwardly and something different outwardly. There is a word for that.
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
We must speak and show what we believe in our hearts. Actions speak louder than words. And let's be real here; if we go to sunday church EVERY sunday then we are fellowshipping with that church. Consider that being yoked!
Matt, As the man I am the head of my household, so... "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15 in SPIRIT and TRUTH.
the word speaks clearly on this issue. I am not going to say how to run your household, but scriptures sure do have a lot to say about it. The word of God is not a suggestion on how to live righteously; they are commands.
In Christ,
Roy
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: fe32k on June 27, 2007, 09:03:58 AM ---2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
As others here say, not advice, but just some scripture to think about.
In Christ,
Roy
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I have pondered on those scriptures and I know that His Words are Spirit. I would think God is talking to us on a deep level here. Of course we can take these scriptures and justify us having nothing to do with those in Babylon. Is getting together for dinner or being in a bible study or worship forbidden for one can be believe that is having fellowship . I don't think our Lord is talking to us in that way. Just my thoughts here. I believe He is saying that deep in the spirit fellowship is not possible and I agree. I can be almost totally free and open when talking to my wife or my local friend Greg about things of the Spirit. We talk about the myth of free will , hell, tithing, the origin of Satan , UR, or any of these things . I don't have to tip toe or fear saying what is on my heart. We are one. But I can't do this with the pastor and his wife, or virtually every member in the church I attend. Only a few. I must hold my tongue until the Lord has me speak. His timing and not mine. I don't want to be kicked out and hated before my time.
So I will say that the scriptures I see are for us and reveal me to me. It is more about me than others.
I must make sure my heart is out of Babylon (a process ) and I am not walking in darkness before I point my spiritual finger. Because I have found I am blind in areas and don't see still. Yes I do see a lot thanks to God's grace but we all have our blind spots. I recall being on the freeway the other day. I was turning into the next lane when I realized ( by the horn sound) that I was about to broadside a car beside me. Yes I looked in my rear view mirror and even checked looking out my window but I still didn't see the car. I would have never thought a car was right there. Thank God I didn't get into a wreck. Sometimes we think we see but we don't. We are all in process. I may be further along than John Doe but we all have yet to arrive. A third grader is no better than a 6th grader. And those of us who are in 6 th grade or higher need not look down on those not far along as we are. It is the sum of God's Word we have to look at.We are to be kind to others and love one another. Love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. And if I sit with those in darkness it is not because I am partaking in their ways, beliefs or sins anymore than Jesus did when He sat among those in darkness.
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