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Bradigans:
--- Quote from: mari_et_pere on June 29, 2007, 08:19:16 AM ---Hey Roy, sorry if my response was way off. I've been pretty tired from working to much! :)
I know where you're coming from. When I started this thread, I figured nobody would say much of anything that I haven't already thought a bazillion times, and I was right. I'd say we're all pretty much of one mind here, which is awesome. At the same time, I feel God doing a majorly strange work inside of me. When I get a grasp on it I'll be relieved just to not be in transition, whatever it is. ???
Bradigans, you quoted Ephesians 5:23. Funny. The other night that I spoke of and me and my wife had words about this stuff, she told me that I'm supposed to be the head, and said someday I'll have to step up to the plate and do it. I was close to responding in anger, but I squelched it. I said, "Maybe I already have been. You just don't know it yet!" I guess she's SO into church that she thinks I'm slacking as spiritual head of the family by not going.
Thanks for listening guys, not matter what happens.
Matt
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It's all spiritual anyway, according to St John 6:63, including what was said in Ephesians 5:23. Jesus said in Matthew 20:25-28 - But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
A lot of us professing christian men believe that headship begins with authority. No, headship through THE SPIRIT begins with humility. True authority is found in humility (James 4:6). I believe we as christian men learn through THE WORD to lead by and through humility which gives true authority. Wasn't Christ an example of it when HE washed the disciples feet, and then went on to die on a rugged cross? The right woman I believe will respond to true authority found in true humility.
TimothyVI:
--- Quote from: fe32k on June 29, 2007, 05:19:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: TimothyVI on June 29, 2007, 12:45:09 PM ---So I believe that God has a very specific and important purpose for the church as we know it today.
I don't think that God is unhappy with the church.
You may find that your children and wife may be more apt to listen to your differing opinions if you actually attend church
with them, than if you did not.
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Hey Timothy,
God had "a very specific and important purpose" for Hitler, so what is your point? I don't imagine people volunteering to enter a concentration camp.
They [the church] will be more apt to try and absorb him into their system no matter how much he resists. This will bring more issues than solutions. My family and friends have "accepted" my position on scripture even if they don't believe it. After a while, Matt's family will be better off adhering to what they believe and they will start to respect each others opinions rather than try to make each other feel better with counterfeit acts of gratification.
God be with you,
Roy
p.s. Matt, would your wife Join this forum for your sake?
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Hi Roy,
Comparing the church to Hitler's concentration camp is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I only know that by attending church with my wife, and discussing the sermons afterward with her,
pointing out fallacies in the sermon, she has come to believe as I do without me having to
try to change her.
I did not recommend that Matt go to church. I just pointed out that his wife may be more
apt to listen to his view if he did. And the simple fact is that God uses the church to bring
people to the knowledge of Christ. The gospel that the church teaches may be wrong, but it is
nevertheless doing some of the work of God.
Tim
mari_et_pere:
--- Quote ---A lot of us professing christian men believe that headship begins with authority. No, headship through THE SPIRIT begins with humility. True authority is found in humility (James 4:6). I believe we as christian men learn through THE WORD to lead by and through humility which gives true authority. Wasn't Christ an example of it when HE washed the disciples feet, and then went on to die on a rugged cross? The right woman I believe will respond to true authority found in true humility.
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Brad, well said. I'm approaching this whole thing with upmost humility because that's how I am. If anyone thinks I'm not swallowing some humble pie by even contemplating going to church, you're nuts. I am very un-authoritative to my wife. This isn't Iraq. Our women don't need their men to command them, force them, coerce them or threaten them. Am I right?
--- Quote ---Comparing the church to Hitler's concentration camp is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I only know that by attending church with my wife, and discussing the sermons afterward with her,
pointing out fallacies in the sermon, she has come to believe as I do without me having to
try to change her.
I did not recommend that Matt go to church. I just pointed out that his wife may be more
apt to listen to his view if he did. And the simple fact is that God uses the church to bring
people to the knowledge of Christ. The gospel that the church teaches may be wrong, but it is
nevertheless doing some of the work of God.
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Tim, you sound very wise with that response. Concentration camp? I'm not going to church for a number and a job, that's for sure.
--- Quote ---They [the church] will be more apt to try and absorb him into their system no matter how much he resists. This will bring more issues than solutions. My family and friends have "accepted" my position on scripture even if they don't believe it. After a while, Matt's family will be better off adhering to what they believe and they will start to respect each others opinions rather than try to make each other feel better with counterfeit acts of gratification.
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Roy, you got me WAY wrong bro. I don't do any counterfeit anything. And they can try all they want to "absorb" me into their "system" but I'm rock, not water. We do adhere to what we believe, I'm solid in my faith and for the time my wife's faith in what she believes is also solid.
You do realize that no matter what you, I, or anyone else says, and no matter what I end up doing about this, the end result is what God already knows will happen, right? He's got this thing in His all-knowing hand right now, and I know He won't let me down. I'm solid.
Matt
Redbird:
Hi Matt,
After coming out of the Catholic Church in my teens because as I said before, never bought into their doctrines which contradicted Christ's teachings, I was on my own for a long time with the Lord. In 2001, after being called and not really knowing exactly what was going on.....I felt very very alone. I started to attend a small Methodist church. Talked to the pastor there, wondering if I should be baptised again...He said hopefully that is something God will take care of! He knew, although I had never heard of this before. God brought me to my knees with much fear and trembling in true repentence in that tiny little church. I put my sons in the kid's club only, because I felt the sermons were too heavy for them. The director of the children flat out told me if my sons did not attend church, they would go to hell. That was my invitation to leave for good, and I gladly accepted!! I do believe that church served its purpose at that time in my life. But, I will not go backwards....not for anyone, because I am a servant of the Lord and the Lord alone.
Peace to you my friend,
Lisa
fe32k:
some still have a soft spot for what they left behind and understandibly so. I love the people that attend the church I went to. I hate their evil doctrines. And as for humility, Christ is our example of this, but when it comes to the word of God and truth this is what is said of Jesus:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority
Ray gets knocked for his authoratative tone all the time. So did Jesus. I have at times as well. Because I KNOW this is truth, it's not a gut feeling anymore. In my home I speak with authority because as long as I am concerned the truth will be taught and learned in my household. I will not force anything on anyone (this not Iraq as someone said), but I will speak my mind mind in my own household.
Tim, I will not apologize for my analogies. God has a GOOD purpose for absolutely everything. Yes, the church is being used to bring about God's elect and to bring people to the knowledge of the truth, but everything that happens (good or evil) is to bring us to the knowledge of the truth. Everything God does has a purpose. Whether it be the church, the holocaust, winning the lottery, last weeks black out, typing this message, etc... This experience of evil is part of our creation process. As I said you guys seem to have a soft spot for what you left behind but remember what names are used to described this organism:
Rev 17:1 "...Great whore..."
Rev 16:19 "...great Babylon..."
Rev 17:5 "...THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS..."
Rev 17:5 "...ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
Matthew 7:23 "...ye that work iniquity"
I thought I had made myself clear on why I have such strong feelings on this issue. But once again it seems that not many can clearly see my point. I will not be tolerant of such evil, I will not act like all is peachy and rosie with these people and I will not act as if it is ok to be "unequally yoked together with" them. I mean it says "abominations of the Earth", all the evil acts of any human, any natural disaster, any evil idea that you can think put together and increased exponentially has not created more damage than these evil doctrines taught by the church for the past 1900 years or so. Again this is an individual decision and only prayer can really tell you what is God's take on this, but I will not sit back while a brother of mine contemplates entering the devil's lair (the synagogue of Satan) with out me at least voicing my opinion clearly. So please do not tell me that comparing the church's doctrines to the holocaust is a stretch, it actually not even the tip of the iceberg
Psalm 97:10 "Ye that love the LORD, HATE evil..."
God be with you,
Roy
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