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indianabob:
Folks,
I think it may be helpful to consider that the holocaust may not have occurred or been as bad if the 'church' had stood up for what is right. Most institutional churches did nothing. Many individual congregations or their members sacrificed to protect Jews and Polish and others who were persecuted, but the main church retained their neutrality and their wealth and are accountable.
Bob
mari_et_pere:
Bob, you're right about that! I think churches should be way more involved in things. Then again, I suppose God had reason to hold them back from getting involved. I watched a series of documentaries a couple weeks ago about Nazi era Germany, mainly the rise and fall of the Hitler regime. I wonder how many people actually know what all the holocaust entailed, how it started and how it progessed, if progressed is a proper term here. It's amazing how blind the world seemed to be. Hitlers Storm Troopers would travel from town to town, village to village, single out Jews, and harrass them, beat them, kidnap them, kill them, whatever they wanted. Mostly it was killing. The Storm Troopers believed they were on a "sacred mission". How decieved could they be!
The townsfolk who witnessed these things, they did nothing. NOTHING! How could one do nothing? Governments did NOTHING. Nobody did a thing! The video footage turns your stomach if your half of a decent man, and yet NOTHING was done about it for how long? It's disgusting.
Roy, now that I just said all that, I think the analogy is disgusting, comparing a church to the holocaust. Shall we compare pastors to Hitler? A wee bit over dramatic I believe.
Matt
hillsbororiver:
How many of us would remain in a group that continually maligned the charactor, wisdom and competence of our spouse or parents? Who would quietly sit there amid all the AMENS!
How about when they would malign the charactor of our Loving Lord?
The churches are teaching and worshipping "another Jesus" not the One who we are blessed to be getting to know more of day by day. I cannot bear to hear how He will fail to save His creation and even to continually torture them forever because they did not make an alter call or say a 30 second prayer. It is a horrible thing to contemplate our loving God being so depraved.
Once we are called to Him, once He reveals His plan and purpose to us and how we should be constantly striving for His Spirit to displace our carnal mind to become one with His Mind why would we look back?
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
His Peace to you,
Joe
fe32k:
The holocaust is fresh in our minds... The inquistion could have equalled or surpassed in its grossness.
but once again I am misunderstood... let me quote Tim:
--- Quote from: TimothyVI on June 29, 2007, 12:45:09 PM ---So I believe that God has a very specific and important purpose for the church as we know it today.
I don't think that God is unhappy with the church.
--- End quote ---
I differed with this statement that God is not "unhappy" with the church.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
I also believe that everything has a very specific and important purpose. Everything God does is specific and important, not JUST the church. I used the Holocaust as an example to show an extreme example. I was then accused of comparing them when it was not what I was doing. The church is an organization, the holocaust is a chain of events (horrific ones at that). But yet I would still be inclinded to say that the evils involved are comparable if not surpassed by the evil doctrines of the church. I am sorry if I am offedning any ethnic Jews, but I do not hold back what I feel. It has gotten me in trouble in the past. It will probably get me in trouble in this forum. Although, my intentions are sincere.
Let us remember who we battle with.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Surely humans have commited some very horrific and grossly acts of evil. But The synagogue of Satan sits in the church. It is evil. period. This'll be my last post on this thread. My opinion is clear and I don't need to add to it or defend it because I have given enough scripture to show that the church people are comparable to Pharisees, that thier doctrines and their organization are "abominations of the Earth", That their evil doctrines are the fruits of the evil in their hearts, and that we are to HATE evil if we love the Lord. Now I believe these things.
I used to be of the synagogue of satan. I condemed my whole family to an eternity in hell for not believing in Christ and I regret it with all of my heart, that was the greatest EVIL i ever commited in my life. Now if there is something worst than that than you show me! and I will stop my "gross" comparisons.
God be with you,
Roy
ciy:
I think the question to ask ourselves is are we the called, chosen, and if we are will we be faithful to the end. Paul says he presses on toward that mark set before him. He forgets his past in religion saying that it is dung. The Israelites that wanted to return to bondage saying that it really was not as bad as we thought it was, died in the desert. God did not say that it is alright to return to Egypt if you want to so that you can lead a more comfortable life. Read Numbers chapter 14.
When man listens to his wife or the world to do it the physical way, you get death like Adam did in satisfying Eve. You get an Ishmael that multiplies and deceives many or you end up cutting the head off of John. Jesus said there were "many that believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him (do his commandments in public) less they be put our of the synagogue. For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."
God does not call you to be comfortable in this world system. To settle down with the world. You must overcome this world. Jesus said "Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men."
Read Jeremiah chapter 8 and Hosea chapter 4. They are great at showing how serious God is about what doctrines you continue in. God is a jealous God. He loves you and does not want you worshipping the doctrines of demons in houses made with man's hands where the idols of Baal reside. Saying that God will punish people in hell for eternity is not just a minor issue with God it warps the view of God.
Be very careful less you fall. Do not be so confident that you can stay in the world. Love the things of the world, and not be part of the world. If you love anything of this world the love of God is not in you. Judas was called and chosen. He was not faithful to the end. Going back into Bablyon is not being faithful to the end.
Now in saying all of this, do whatever your heart tells you to do because it is all of God.
This is all in love. I pray that we all have and keep ears to hear and eyes to see so that we do the things God tells us to do.
Be strong and courageous.
CIY
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