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Zade:
Through Adam's sin came condemnation to all MEN. Sometimes it seems like animals are condemned more than men. Death was passed on from Adam because he disobeyed God, but animals are a whole other race, why was death and suffering passed to them?

I've actually heard it suggested that animals actually don't suffer, or even that they aren't really concious because it never said the animals became living souls, only men.

I understand sacrifices and offerings, but apart from that, why does there need to be animal suffering, or does the above theory have some level of truth?

gmik:
Ecclesiastes says we are like the beasts.  And we both die.

I have often heard that Jesus was born in a manger in front of the animals to "honor" them bcz they were innocent of shed blood.  Course that was babylonian gobbledegook.

We all have love and "warm fuzzies" for our animals.  You are asking that when they die do they just die (disappear) or does God have a plan/place for them in His Kingdom?

Well, they are probably around in the new earth during 1,000 year reign, but I don't know about when Jesus turns everything over to God and then we are All in All.

C'mon you animal lovers, what do ya think?? 

Kat:


Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
v. 20  For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but through Him subjecting it, on hope;
v. 21  that also the creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption to the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
v. 22  For we know that all the creation groans together and travails together until now.

This age is for the experience of good and evil for mankind, that obviously has carries over into the animal kingdom.  Eveything in the world is physical and temporary, it was not meant to last, except the spiritual.

2Co 4:18  we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during.

Of course animals suffer pain, but I don't feel they preceive death. I believe animals will always be on earth.  They will also benefit greatly when Christ sets up His kingdom on this earth, I believe He will stop the horrible destruction to the beautiful nature of this world.  This whole world will be transform under the rule of Christ, both spiritually and physically.

1Co 2:9  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

musicman:

--- Quote from: Zade on June 28, 2007, 10:31:46 PM ---Through Adam's sin came condemnation to all MEN. Sometimes it seems like animals are condemned more than men. Death was passed on from Adam because he disobeyed God, but animals are a whole other race, why was death and suffering passed to them?

I've actually heard it suggested that animals actually don't suffer, or even that they aren't really conscious because it never said the animals became living souls, only men.

I understand sacrifices and offerings, but apart from that, why does there need to be animal suffering, or does the above theory have some level of truth?



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Um. . . gee . . . I don't know quite how to say this.  I mean no disrespect to the young earth people. . . but I think it is clear from science that animals were suffering and dying long before Adam was ever created.  Let's say. . . um . . .several million years prior to the creation of man.  And I don't believe that the tyrannosaurus Rex ate leaves.  Ray has my back on this one.  The world and universe was not created in six literal days.  The word yom could mean a long period of time.  So it doesn't violate scripture by saying, In the beginning (bang), God created the heaven and the earth.  Billions of years later (I know I'm deviating a little from Ray but . . .) was the first day (which lasted ?? millions of years, etc.).  No, I don't believe in evolution.  The Cambrian Explosion pretty much explains that away (so does scripture, I think).  The real science being studied points directly to the God of the bible.

By the way, why is there a law in the O.T. that states that if a bull gorges a person, that bull must be stoned to death?  I can't remember the scripture.  But I was wondering how a dumb animal can be held accountable for a man's screw up.  I'm sure I read it correctly.  Today, you would just shoot the beast and put it out of it's misery.  Actually, when I saw the post, I was thinking this was the subject.  Does anybody else recall that most mysterious command of God?  

chuckt:
hello.

adam and eve where made from dirt oustide the garden.

"worldy" dirt, flesh was never ment to live for ever.

Dieing ye shall die. adam was dieing from the day he was made.((flesh))

eve also  was OF the world to for she lusted  BEFORE she ate.

adam and eve  where """fallen"" from day one they WERE naked just didnt know it yet.

great topic and lots there
chuck

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