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I am new here and I have a few questions!

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Sorin:
PJ,

You are hopelessly lost. You've not a clue as to even why Christ came and died on the cross. How about you try to stay within the Scriptures? Actually, what am I talking, you don't even believe The Scriptures. You think that you used your phantom free will and chose Christ all on your own, despite the fact that Jesus said no man can come to Him. Jhn 6:44

How can the carnal mind, that is enmity (deep seethed hatred) towards God, and is not only not subject to the Law Of God, but it is in fact not even able to be subject to the Law of God, how can that mind ever come to God, and obey God, and wish to follow God? Rom 8:7

Answer that one for me? The Scriptures already do, but I want to see your version. :p

Peace,

Sorin



 

Craig:
PJ Rather than ask these questions here of people who are not teachers (that would be me) why don't you spend some time reading Ray's articles.  Especially the letters to Hagee and Kennedy and then the Lake of fire series, especially the Myth of Free will.

Then if you have questions on different points then ask here.  Free will is one of the most difficult truths to wrap your mind around.

It seems from your posts you need to take the time and prayer to read the articles on Rays site, don't get in a hurry and don't give up the first time around.  It took me 6 months of bible study and reading Rays teaching to finally get a handle on free will.  Free will is the heart of the beast, and he won't give it up easily.

Blessing
Craig

PJNPSWISS:
Well God Bless you all! I have to go to Bed! I am in Switzerland and I need my sleep! I hope to be able to discuss some more tomorrow.

Take care and again God Bless!

P.J. ;D

bobf:

--- Quote from: PJNPSWISS on July 01, 2007, 03:45:06 PM ---Dear Kat,

The very point that I don't understand is that we do not have a free choice? When this is true then this whole life is a game and I don't have to follow Christ because I will be cleaned anyway in the end and then I will be in heaven.

There is no logic to this! I know what you are saying and I do not understand that part either. But I do know if this is all just a game and that we do not have a free will then how can we worship the Lord and why would he want our worship. We would all be puppets and that would be that.

Does that make any sense? We would all just say yes I follow Christ or no I don't. Then God would not be chasing us all through the Bible trying to get our attention. You seem to be seeing things that are not very logical at all. I have given my life to the Lord and I have repented and want to serve him and him alone. This as what has been spoken of and promised should give me his spirit. If not then I am lost and then I should just quit trying to get his attention and just do what I want. I will get to heaven anyways right?

This does not seem to be what Jesus taught or what the whole bible teaches. It says do unto other as you would want them to do to you. This is the whole law and the prophets. If we follow these ways we have Christ and he is living in us. This is the Truth of the whole Gospel! Or am I wrong again? But if it is that I do not have the free will to make this choice and to Love others and let Christ shine through me then God is just using us as toys and so lala. Next.

Why Did Jesus come then? Just as part of the game? Please help me to understand this?

God Bless!

P.J.

--- End quote ---

P.J.  you make a choice but your choice is not FREE from divine influence.  If because of your FREE choice, you chose God - then God did not need to draw (actually means drag) you to Him.  Read Psalm 107 about the redeemed of the Lord.  They did not come FREELY.  They were GATHERED by God.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Falconn003:
Well well

That was RUDE, open a discussion then co-out with i have to go to bed.

What's next "i did not pay my internet bill, cuase i had to give my 10% to in tiths......" go figure  ::) ::)

Rodger

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