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P.J. IS RAISING SOME IMPORTANT POINTS

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carol70:
Dean,

God does not cause us to sin.  He sets up the circumstances, sometimes putting us in spiritual prisons, and we respond accordingly.

Have you ever been in a jam and tried to figure a way out?  Think of all the thoughts and options that ran through your mind.  Were they all honorable?  I bet you a dollar they weren't.  God has me going through this trial right now and I'm very ashamed of some of the thoughts that keep going through my mind, just so I can be done with it.  But even if I never follow through with any of these thoughts, it's still sin.  It's ALL sin.  That's where sin starts, in the heart, and God is not causing me to think and feel the way that I do, at least I don't think he is!  I felt pretty crappy when I realized how weak and wicked my thoughts could be.  I'm so thankful to God that its not his intention that I follow through with any of it but I'm no better than the next guy who DOES follow through.  It's all up to God.

Free will - nope.  Free sin - all day, every day.

Love and peace,
Carol

hillsbororiver:
Hi Carol,

You make some extremely astute points!

We are to experience these thoughts and also to experience the results of our carnal actions. It is a true trial to desire godliness but yet think like a sinner, it is a fiery trial that takes faith, perserverence and a humble spirit, these trials/lessons will show us how absolutely dependent we are on God, that no good thing comes from our natural desires or thoughts.

When we get to the place where we realize this and that only through His grace and chastising (not punishment) will we have our own (not free) will alligned with His will, this is the plan and purpose for all creation, to have our will alligned with the will of God.

This is not an overnight process, in most cases it takes years and years to come to the point of actually hating the natural state and truly loving the spiritual state, it is a continuing process to get where we pray not only to physically keep from certain sins we are particularly prone to but even to pray for deliverence from the thoughts that germinate in our hearts that lead to sin.

This experience of evil will eventually deepen our love for good. All must pass through this purifying fire to be purged and refined into Sons and Daughters of the Almighty God.

It is an awesome thing to contemplate but it is not an easy journey.

Kat used the following scriptures before in another thread that dealt with this experience of joy and sweetness upon tasting (hearing) His Word and the bitter experience it can be to digest (live) His Word, this is all for our eventual salvation with the rewards being far superior to what we can even imagine! Just for starters try imagining what a pure joy it would be to have a heart and mind that was totally pure, free from even a carnal thought, never to be weak (in spirit) again!

Rev 10:9  And I went unto the angel and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
 
Rev 10:10  And I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

We all must experience the bitterness eventually if not now.

His Peace to you,

Joe






 

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