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lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Dean Peterman on July 03, 2007, 06:14:58 AM ---Dear friends,

I really appreciate all of your kind words.  I apologize for being so sensitive.  My life feels like it is a total wreck right now so I feel very weak and over sensitive. After much study I just came to the conclusion that hell is not real and this ripped apart my world.  Not that I wanted people to go to hell but this realization caused me to conclude that everything I have been believing is a lie.  I think you can understand how that can shake up someones world. 

 Rodger sent me an e-mail to apologize and I was happy to put all of this behind us.  He misunderstood me and that is understandable.   I have the type of personality that has the tendency to beat a dead horse into the ground.  That is just how I learn.  You also have to understand that giving up my belief in the immortal soul is not easy.  Although I am 90% convinced I have to be 100% convinced before I have the confidence to give it up.  This is a very, very scarey thing for me.  The thought of dying is pretty scarey.  I mean the thought of really dying.  Not going into the spirit world but being really, really dead.  So before I am ready to say I will be really, really dead I have to be sure the Bible really, really teaches this.  That is why I ask so many questions.  I need to be sure.  So I will continue to study this.

So many have asked me to stay that I have decided it would not be fair to leave and disappoint so many people.  So I am going to stay and continuing learning.

Sincerely,

Dean

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Hip Hip hurray! :D

Now where is one of them crazy smilies when you need em! :P

sansmile:
Oh Dean. brought tears to my eyes when i read you have decided to stay. Ths forum is a special place cause in this world amongst "christiandom" we are seen to be worse than pagans..........my own mother thinks i am possessed ..lol. But when He reveals His truth to you  there is NO going back.
 

A BIG FORUM HUG !!!


God Bless and may He give you peace.

Sandie

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Dean

Rodger was not the only one to misunderstand you. I did too! :D It just did not become evident because I could not reply to your post and when I did it was deleted! I am glad Rodger stepped in with his post. It was much shorter than mine!!!!Had my post been the one to challenge you I think perhaps you may have headed for the hills and not been back!!!! ;D :D

Let me explain. I believe that what keeps us all here in BT is that we have accepted what we have been taught. I believe what we have received is of GOD! The teaching is sound. The challenge to refute the teachings are sounder still....take two scriptures that prove anything Ray has written is incorrect and BINGO!....It has never happened!... :D ;D That is the way to dissolve doubts. Work with the sword of the word and not with what you have in scholastic pedigrees! If you are persuaded one way then test it with witnesses of the Scriptures. Find two....where two or more are gathered there HE IS!....Scriptures that is :D...two or more SCRIPTURES....not THOUGHTS....not OPINIONS....not HERESAY.... :D ;D

If someone comes into the Forum with resistance to what we as a group have discovered, it creates tension to edify, encourage and admonish which is the correct way to address one another as brethren. It is part of the process of exchanging insight for error, wisdom for foolishness and edification for dullness. Sometimes there will be sparks flying. Ask the members! Sparks are good. They make great thoughts burn with testing against greater thoughts of God that are often presented here via the members and brethren to help us communicate with the mind of Christ!

You are 55. You have taught what you now find you did not know! That must be HELL....not the Pagan hell or forever hell but temporary hell that will pass!...There is so much to consider giving up. A LIFETIME! That is a kind of death. Ray has touched on this aspect in some of the insights he has given regarding the book of Revelations.

Death happens on multiple levels. We have to die to untruth. We have to die to unbelief. We have to die to error. We have to die to our comfort zones before our Lord shows us more of HIMSELF.

It is awesome how many here have been caused to call you into this flock of young and old wise and learning souls of Christ. HIS Spirit of Truth works through who HE chooses and let me tell you, pedigree makes NO DIFFERENCE! I personally have been blessed, edified and learnt from our youngest here!....This of course is not to discount or trivialise our more senior and experienced souls here. Not at all!! We have all embraced the teachings revealed via Ray. It matters not what our pedigrees are in scholastic learning or experience.


In the Forum we can compare the fruit of one teaching against the other. The teachings here in BT are complimentary to God and His Son. The teachings of Mystery Babylon are complimentary only to heresy and blasphemy. We are learning the differences! It is not the many who either see or know this yet. It is indeed a shock to discover it and painful....very painful. Personally I believe that the great chastisement will be to expose and reveal our error to ourselves and we will feel so ashamed and so evil as did Isaiah and Job for our participation...but for us here and now....we have the calling to turn away from false teaching and to repent of our participation with and on behalf of Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots.

ALL are guilty to have idols of perfection when we know that only Christ will come with our full redemption for HE is the finisher of our faith and not us here and now. It is wrong to think we are saved and it is prideful to believe we can do anything to save ourselves. Christ has done everything and we have to believe that He has and for me that is my work!

I did not quite grasp your suffering for discovering the truth. I also was chastised when I came to Ray's teaching on tongues. I cried pitifully and ashamedly for my participation in such a sham. It is most edifying to me to have you reveal your personal and intimate agony with your new discovery of the teachings you are now exposed to and it deepens a sense of awe that God will do the same for everyone in the end.

As for death...it is how we get there that is the issue for me not the being there!....so....Slow down now. Heal and be still....Our Lord who we love and know, feel and wait for, is in control of everything we are all experiencing together and separately uniquely.

If it was you who wrote to Ray about free will....then you will have much to ponder and reflect on. If not, then stay a big while longer among us all....as we continue to have much to ponder, share and reflect on too.

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

Robin:
Thank you for coming back Dean.

I process truth the way you do. I usually throw up when I learn something new, lol. I tear it into microscopic pieces and then put it back together in a way that I can understand it. I study each little tiny piece and when I'm finished putting it together it is solid. My brother is just the opposite. He is more abstract in his thinking and seems to just pull things out of the air and understands it. We have to talk for hours sometimes before we understand the truth each in our own way. When you put the two halves together though it is dynamite. We all need each other and God made us the way we are.


--- Quote ---everything I have been believing is a lie
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Yes. That's what makes me throw up. It's not easy waking up into a new reality. There is an adjustment to make and it takes time if you have our personality. My brother heads into it with excitement and I get sick. We both end up in the same place though. The truth is not just intellectual, but it is cleansing and some of those things that are cleaned out of us are not pleasant to look at or experience.

God has been patient and loving and kind to me. He also demands all and will allow me to suffer great hurt to fulfill his plan in my life. I endured much more suffering than my brother did through this. I was damaged and my make-up was different. I had many hidden things that had to be uncovered and my coping methods were different. I had a wall built that was made of solid steel. God had to tear it down with many hard circumstances. We can't judge another by our own circumstances. We are not all the same.

God took 5 years to teach me that there was no free will. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what I had to go through to learn that. He uncovered a universe within me that I didn't know was there. I wouldn't have been able to bear it if God had gone any faster.

Keep seeking and don't stop until you find the truth.

Hugs,
MG

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