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Sacred Secrets
DuluthGA:
Our God is NOT a God of mystery but of REVELATION!
Once again, thanks for your insight Joe, a BIG TIME insight and rightly so.. for..
HE CALLZ DA SHOTZ!! ALL OF THEM!
Yes! This is very POWERFUL STUFF!! Thank you!
Big thanks to Ursula also on the insights and REVEALING of King Neb and how his scriptural references apply to God's plan for THE ELECT and THOSE COMING AFTER!! This is so right on!
Joy, Janice :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on July 22, 2007, 05:05:23 AM ---
To take that view deeper we could say our God is a God of transcendence.
Arcturus that is an awesome way to view/describe our God and the way He communicates with His own!
Does true revelation bring transcendence? Is that the Hallmark? TRANSCENDENCE and buffetting by the messengers of Satan to keep us balanced through trials? I think it is! Jesus has overcome the world. Those who will know Him will have overcome, transcended the world too by His Spirit.
Who even knew the difference between a carnal or spiritual mind? I know that until I read about the 'Beast Within' I had no clue about this duality of mind, this bloody battle between our carnal nature and His Spirit.
Ecc 3: 11 A New Translation by James Mottatt. Ref LOF 15C “He assigned each its proper time, but for the MIND OF MAN (would this be the CARNAL mind? ) He has appointed MYSTERY...
I actually like the way the KJV translates this verse;
Ecc 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
"No man can find out" ......... until God shares His secrets!
Thank you Sister for sharing your observations,
Joe
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Ursula, Rick & Janice,
Thank you for your comments, it is amazing how when we get these little insights it gives us ways of looking at scriptures in a different Light, new meanings and nuances jump right out!
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
carol70:
Hi Joe,
God reveals his sacred secret to the saints, as said in Colossians 1:26:
the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
But we know from Ray's discussion on saints in LOF part 13:
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WHO ARE THE SAINTS?
If the very elect can’t be deceived, is it possible for saints to be deceived? Yes, there is a difference. One can be a saint long before he becomes the VERY elect. Were the believers in Ephesus called, saints?
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS which are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 1:1).
So, Yes, the believers in Ephesus were called saints. But were they perfect? Were they spiritually mature? Were they the VERY elect? No, they weren’t.
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In Ephesians 3 and Amos 3, it says the secret is revealed to His prophets:
Eph 3:4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it is now revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit,
Amo 3:7 For the Lord Jehovah will do nothing unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.
How do the elect compare with the saints and the prophets? I don't have the answer - maybe someone else does! But the point that I'm trying to make is this: Just because God chooses to reveal his secret to the saints doesn't mean that all of those saints will go on to become the very elect. Judas comes to mind :)
2Pe 1:10 Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things, you shall never fall.
Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Peace and blessings,
Carol
hillsbororiver:
Hi Carol,
You are absolutely correct, receiving the secrets of God does not automatically give anyone a lock on being counted among the elect, in fact knowledge, wisdom etc. in and of themselves are counted by Paul as "nothing."
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries (sacred secrets) ;) and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
This is the second time I have quoted this verse in the last few minutes, hmmmmm maybe the Lord is telling me something.........
His Peace to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Hello again Carol!
--- Quote from: carol70 on July 26, 2007, 02:42:53 PM ---
How do the elect compare with the saints and the prophets?
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1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
The quote you had from Ray explained that "saints" really speaks of all men eventually, all will be holy and blameless at some future point as Sons and Daughters of God. The elect are those chosen before the foundation of the world to be with Christ as He refines, purges and harvests the Father's children. The prophets of the OT were given a glimpse of this plan of salvation but do not have a part in it, that has been reserved for those who came after the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Even John the Baptist is not among the elect in the Kingdom.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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