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Greater Sin
bobf:
This has puzzled me. I've thought of asking Ray, but I'll ask here first.
John 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Pilate could have no power to crucify Christ unless that power were given by God. But the same is true of Judas. He could have no power to deliver Christ to Pilate unless God have given him that power. So why does Judas have the greater sin?
I have an explanation in mind, but it does not totally satisfy me.
God bless,
Bob
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello bobf
You quote:
John 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that DELIVERED me unto thee hath the greater sin.
I searched what delivered means. It appears three other times.
Mt 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also BETRAYED HIM.
Mt 27:4 Saying, I have BETRAYED the innocent blood. and they said, what is that to us?
Ac 12:4 And when he has apprehended him, he put him in prison, and DELIVERED him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
BETRAYAL is the greater sin. Like if you throw a baby into the mouth of a Lion you have the greater sin not the Lion.
Regarding Judas. You say : He could have no power to deliver Christ to Pilate unless God have given him that power. So why does Judas have the greater sin?
It was not POWER that was given to Judas to betray Christ. It was God letting Judas be himself whereas Pilate had Power of State and Government and authority to execute the death penalty. Judas was wicked and acting out his wickedness. There is no power in that! :D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
jER:
Nicely stated, Arcturus!
- jER
YellowStone:
Arcturus, you wrote and I concur totally:
It was not POWER that was given to Judas to betray Christ. It was God letting Judas be himself whereas Pilate had Power of State and Government and authority to execute the death penalty. Judas was wicked and acting out his wickedness. There is no power in that!
Many look at Judas and his betrayal of Christ in amazement and shake their heads in disbelief that anyone could possibly betray the greatest man who ever walked. Some may discover that Judas was merely forefilling the plans that God had for him, through his inherent wickedness. However, this is only part of the truth. For if it was given to Judas to do what was required to fullfill God's plans, then so too must then that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John (etc) been likewise fulfilling God's plan. They, like us, are powerless to thwart God in anyway.
Is it any wonder that the body is dead?
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
:) This goes right back to Joe's sacred secret thread, true life is not earned or deserved; rather it is an underserved gift of the Spirit of God.
As for my understanding the severity of sin, I can only go by what Christ told us.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
It would appear the sins of Pilate and of Judas were both against the son of Man and would be forgiven. It sure doesn't look so hopeful for those who sin against the Holy Ghost.
Here's a question, how can anyone sin against the Holy Ghost if it is not ones will to decide to, or not? Granted, I can understand how any given the Spirit of Truth are held to a higher standard, but are they any more responsible? Let's look at it another way, if God knows that the next Lotto numbers will fall in this order: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 What chance do they have of not falling in that order.
So in retrospect, is sin
a) going against the will of God unknowingly
b) doing the same but knowling and willingly
c) doing the same, kowningly but unwillingly
d) or knowing that one in the flesh can neither do anything willingly or unwilling against God.
It is my understanding that the answer must be D, for if we fight sin, are we not fighting God? If we likewise consume ourselves in trying to eliminate sin from our life are we no also denying God?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom 7:25
How can one live by the Spirit if one does not love and trust God completely and without question?
Does this make sense?
Love in Christ,
Darren
Sorin:
--- Quote from: bobf ---Pilate could have no power to crucify Christ unless that power were given by God. But the same is true of Judas. He could have no power to deliver Christ to Pilate unless God have given him that power.
--- End quote ---
No Bob, it is not the same thing. Pontias Pilate was a Roman Governor and had the power to set Jesus free, Judas did not have such a power, he was merely a traitor. That's what Jesus meant by "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above", he meant it was God who made Pilate a Roman Governor, and if it weren't given to him from above (to be a Roman governor)
he would have no power at all against Jesus. He could have been just a regular joe. No offense to the moderator named Joe, and people named Joe. ;)
--- Quote from: bobf ---So why does Judas have the greater sin?
--- End quote ---
Because he's a traitor, Pilate wanted to set Jesus free.
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