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Trials and tribulations happens to everyone. What does that mean ?

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mrsnacks:
Thanks Josh. This just came up a few days ago. My wife shared with me that a few of her co workers were going through much pain and suffering. They were unbelievers that she works with and we got into a discussion about how hard life is for the unbeliever out there as well. And is God involved in the unbeliever's lives in which they face the same trials and sufferings we do. What can we say to those. I know the Godly perspective of trials in our lives as believers. But what can we say to the unbeliever. Let's say when it comes to physical pain and suffering. Jesus healed all who came to Him.

gmik:
Your original Q of what is the difference in one who has cancer who is "saved", and an unbeliever.

Not much in the overall plan of God.  But in our individual personal life it is different.

 To a believer there is always hope and comfort.  We know what the future holds and are not afraid of it.  We have trust that a faithful God controls all and we have the comfort of prayer and the scripture to get us through such things.

An unbeliever doesn't have any of that.  They have no hope- only wishful thinking. Fear of the unknown also.  Very little comfort.  Trusting only in the doctors.  Fate.  Nothing.

At the LOF judgement there is no difference between the two.
Unless you are the Elect, all others will be judged.

Deborah-Leigh:
Here are some of the teachings from Ray that may help conclude this quest for insight.

Excerpt's are from http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm  Exposing the Secret Rapture Theory

ANSWER: We have already shown in Scripture that the great tribulation ends at our Lord’s advent, it does not begin.

The tribulations and trials that come upon the House of God Now who are called and the pains and sufferinngs that come upon the World  who is not called yet, end only at the Lord's advent. This is the Day of the Lord when He returns

At this point in our discussion, it will be helpful to define some words that are often interchanged as if they are virtually one and the same. It is important that we understand the meanings of important words that are wrongly applied by those who teach the rapture:

1. Affliction: Keyword Concordance, anguish, persecution, tribulation, trouble, ill treatment, suffering. Webster’s: affliction, any cause of pain or suffering.

AND

2.Tribulation: Keyword Concordance, affliction Webster’s: tribulation, great misery or distress

VERSUS

3.Wrath: Keyword Concordance, fury, indignation, vexation Webster’s: wrath, intense anger, rage, fury, vengeance

AND

4.Indignation: Keyword Concd., anger, vengeance, wrath Webster’s: Adj.-- indignation, expressing anger especially unjust or mean actions. Noun-- righteous anger.

Although there is somewhat of an overlap in defining these words, we can still get a clear picture as to how these words are used in the Scriptures. Notice that "affliction" and "tribulation" are nearly synonymous. Notice also, that "wrath" and "indignation" are nearly synonymous. "Affliction" can be defined as "tribulation," and "tribulation" can be defined as "affliction." Likewise, "wrath" can be defined as "indignation," and "indignation" can be defined as "wrath." But, the first two words, "affliction and tribulation" are not synonymous with the second two words, "wrath and indignation." There is a giant difference in their usage, and especially when used in a prophetic setting. I hope I haven’t lost anyone. Reread this a few times and you’ll get it.



"For God did not appoint us to INDIGNATION ..." (I Thes. 5:9).

It nowhere says that God has not appointed us to trials, troubles, pain, suffering, heartache, disappointment, disease, death, or hurricanes! In fact, Paul himself, tells us that we enter the Kingdom of God by going through a whole lot of these things (Acts 14:22).

I personally, presently, am going through trials, troubles, pain, suffering, heartache, disappointment, disease, and two very near death experiences in the past few years, not to mention hurricane Andrew. But, nonetheless, it is a great comfort to me to know that God has not appointed me to His indignation. Believers are chastised by a wise Father out of LOVE, the nations will be punished by an angry God out of VENGEANCE. Can we not see the difference? (Actually God’s "anger and vengeance" is also out of love, but the nations will certainly not initially perceive it as such).


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