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seminole:
I have tried to e-mail Ray but was unsuccessful. I had some questions that you can probably help me with. What is the peace if you don't have the assurance of being firmly in God's hand? From some of the things I read it seems like Ray is saying that even though all will be saved eventually that there is also the elect and/or chosen. Death don't seem to good if we are just laying in the ground. Something else I read while trying to gain some understanding was that many of the views presented on Ray's sit and the forum are very similar to Calvinism. i don't ask this to cause a problem but only to understand. Thanks.

musicman:

--- Quote from: seminole on July 12, 2007, 10:09:25 AM ---I have tried to email Ray but was unsuccessful. I had some questions that you can probably help me with. What is the peace if you don't have the assurance of being firmly in God's hand? From some of the things I read it seems like Ray is saying that even though all will be saved eventually that there is also the elect and/or chosen. Death don't seem to good if we are just laying in the ground. Something else I read while trying to gain some understanding was that many of the views presented on Ray's sit and the forum are very similar to Calvinism. i don't ask this to cause a problem but only to understand. Thanks.

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The peace comes from the assurance that if we have the desire, we will be in God's hands.  The elect are those chosen out of the called of God.  Being dead for a time isn't a problem when you consider that there is no consciousness.  Death is likened to sleep.  That is scriptural.  Oh, and about Calvinism.  Calvinism is an evil theological belief that God preordains some (the elect) to eternal salvation and others to eternal hell.  It's a belief that one has free will but still can't actually control whether they go to hell or not.  This is bogus, as we don't have free will, neither is there such thing as a christian hell.  All will be saved eventually.  Have you read Ray's articles? 

Craig:

--- Quote from: seminole on July 12, 2007, 10:09:25 AM --- What is the peace if you don't have the assurance of being firmly in God's hand? From some of the things I read it seems like Ray is saying that even though all will be saved eventually that there is also the elect and/or chosen. Death don't seem to good if we are just laying in the ground. Something else I read while trying to gain some understanding was that many of the views presented on Ray's sit and the forum are very similar to Calvinism.

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On the first question, what is wrong with the body laying in the ground?  When you awaken, whether it is thousands of years or 2 days.  It will seem like it is instantaneous to you.  There will be no sense of passing time, "the dead know nothing"   As for peace and assurance, I am assured that everyone, EVERYONE  is firmly in God's hand.  How much more peace do you need than that?

As for the second, I have studied Calvinism and I see hardly anything similar.  Almost every religious offshoot has some truths to it and Calvin had very little.

Perhaps you would like to tell us the similarities?

Craig

seminole:
Yes I have read them but still find that I have questions. You said if we have the desire we will be in God's hands. That still sounds like a choice to me. Not criticizing what you said at all. And with death  we will be with the Lord when our breath leaves our bodies here I believe Paul said something about that.

I don't understand much about Calvinism but was asking about it because of something I had read. To be honest with you it seemed to go in circles(the article I read) so it left me scratching my head and wondering. That's all.

musicman:

--- Quote from: seminole on July 12, 2007, 10:39:58 AM ---Yes I have read them but still find that I have questions. You said if we have the desire we will be in God's hands. That still sounds like a choice to me. Not criticizing what you said at all.

We do make choices.  Computers make choices.  Our choices have many causes.  Who gives us the desires we have?  And no, we're not like robots.
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