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I have a question for you all
GODSown1:
Hey hi all,
yea i jus hav an Opinion, Yes! can dey choose differntly?? um! & 2 b very honest i no many gay pple/ relations etc.. whom r very kind hearted pple compared 2 wot cumz out of Churchez n e wayz, & most of dem Praise GOD jus az much az uS if not even more!, As U say Jacqui-lee, GOD is the Judge not uS! & isnt GOD in Control!?? :). We hav a church in New Zealand called Destiny man if n e church gets me goin its dem, Dey Preach GODS name bla bla bla, but! den dey r in 1 big congregation in da streets all in black T shirts Holding banners wit stupid fingZ like "Down with GayZ" even az bad as "Kill the GAYz" I was jus Shocked & I was finkn & dis is a church of GOD, Woteva!!!, dey were yelln out Heaps of stuff az if bein Gay was da Only! sin in dis World & 1 mus remember all sins r sins no matter hw big or small dey may seem, dey r All still sins, Well dis is my Opinion in which cums 2 mind, But! I mus remember GOD is in Control, :) Peace 2 U All, GODS BlessnZ! 2 each & every1 of uZ! in JESUS Mighty!, Amazing name Amen!!!.
muchLOVE!! Pera
steve:
Okay, I guess I'm going to step in it now. This is the sin I have battled all of my life. I don't understand why it's a sin. My mind says " I would rather see two people love each other than hate each other". My heart says I should obey my God. I have been celebate for more than five years. If I told you I didn't sin in my heart every day I would be sinning again. The best response on homosexuality I have heard is from Ray. We are born that way.That doesn't excuse us. Just as some people are born to be robbers or murderers. I try to look at my sin as no different from other forms of fornication. We are all born into sin, but that isn't what God has asked of us.
I am going to offer a differing opinion about whether it is natural. It is normal. Pick up a magazine and read about the penguins and dolphins and bonobos. It is the nature of the beast.
I don't think there is much of a distinction between categories of sin. If we are fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, or if we are murderers or false witnessses. Sin is the act of coming short of the glory of God.
Some people in their lifetimes identify the way they haven't glorified God by not having been faithful to their spouse, and some by trying to choose a partner of the same sex.
When I read the story of Gods creation he made a woman to be a companion to a man. Maybe the reason homosex is a sin is because it is rejecting his choice for us, just like sleeping with women that you aren't married to is rejecting his plan too.
For what it's worth I wish I had an asbestos hat and coat now.
chuckt:
hi steve, my heart goes out to you!!
the more we find our identity in Christ rather than our sexuality we become overcomers for HE overcame.
same with recovering alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addicts ETC, our identity MUST be IN CHRIST.
not in self or our "sins" i know this 100% ...... :o
God bless you
ChuckT
gmik:
Rodger, I like your take on it. I've thought the same way.
Physically, there is a lot of harm done. Bizarre things, pseudo-masochistic things, animals, etc. Just seems to be out of the norm.
God usually didn't say NO to things w/o a good reason. Usually it was for protection. Such as not eating pork and that sort of thing. Not cuz God was picky but back then it could harm you if not cooked all the way.
Anyway, all thru history, even tho it was always around, it was never looked upon as "normal", even by decadent Rome, which didn't acknowledge God/Bible. Weve all seen documents on tV where tribes w/ no touch from the outside world did not accept homosexuality.
MOST animals do NOT practice homosexuality.
Paul said it is better to marry than to burn. So serving God single is good. But marriage-one man and one woman- children seems to be the accepted way all thru history.
YellowStone:
Hi Gena,
I am going to offer a different perspective that perhaps you have not considered.
You wrote: "God usually didn't say NO to things w/o a good reason. Usually it was for protection. Such as not eating pork and that sort of thing. Not cuz God was picky but back then it could harm you if not cooked all the way."
While I agree with what you say, it does not and cannot mean that God did not WANT such things as homosexuality to happen. We know well now that man is not free to even direct his steps, so is one suddenly free to select their sexual preference. I would say no! :)
So why then would God instruct to guard against such deplorable practices while on the other hand is the one causing such actions? Is there a contradiction here? Or is there perhaps a greater meaning.
Well, I certainly think there is. Let me first state that you, me or anyone else here in this forum is not any better than the lowest of the low; it is that we have one thing that they do not (yet) and that is ears to hear and eyes to see.
So what should we see when we experience such in your face homosexuality innuendo that is so prevalent these days? Are we to condemn them for breaking God's law. Remember, how Christ told us (I think it was Christ) that to those of which much is given, much is expected in return. If we therefore recognize ourselves as the work of God's hands, then are "they" not also? Far be it from me to condemn them, for would I not also be condemning the Potter? Of course I would. ::)
Everything in this life, from object to opportunity is given as a lesson in humility for us. If we can do nothing more than recognize that God will one day set them straight, while showing to the best of our ability unconditional love and all the other fruits of the Spirit, then I think that is a good start. Please don't ask me where to go from there, for I accept them and I personally know more than a few. Christ died for homosexuals too and I am thinking that when he spoke to the multitudes and said the: "least of these will come first......." probably included some homosexuals too.
Oh you are really going to think I am picking on you now :D
You wrote: "But marriage-one man and one woman- children seems to be the accepted way all thru history."
Yep, and I think there is a very good reason for it...... :)
Gen 2:18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
God does everything for a reason, and perhaps the most profound realization is that there is something to learn from all of it. Good or bad.
Thanks Gena, I hope you take this in the spirit of love in which it was written.
Love in Christ,
Darren
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