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Repentance in transcript (angels)
Brett:
Hello,
In transcript of 'Repentance' in forum, I am concerning from what I understand or lack of understand about 'judge angels'. See the note of Ray's spoke with transcript with bolds are mine:
"Well let me ask you, if we are going to be judging the world one day, don’t you think we ought to be practicing? They say, ‘practice makes perfect,’ if we are going to do something.
We are the Lake of Fire, we will be judging man and the angels. Don’t you think we aught to have some practice at doing that then? Don’t you think we should be learning to judge now?
Well, we go to Matt. 7 and we read this, “judge not.” Is that a contradiction? “Know ye not that we shall judge the world and judge angels?” “Judge not.” Jesus Christ says in John 8:15, “I judge no man.” And He is the righteous judge of the world, but “I judge no man.”
Who are angels? What Ray mean by that? I don't think he mean judge God's angels, because no scriptures mention of 'angels' fall away and follow Satan. I think he mean 'messengers' like pastors, teachers, theologians, etc. Am I right understand?
I will be appreciate your help ;).
Brett :D
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Brett on July 17, 2007, 10:34:40 PM ---Hello,
In transcript of 'Repentance' in forum, I am concerning from what I understand or lack of understand about 'judge angels'. See the note of Ray's spoke with transcript with bolds are mine:
"Well let me ask you, if we are going to be judging the world one day, don’t you think we ought to be practicing? They say, ‘practice makes perfect,’ if we are going to do something.
We are the Lake of Fire, we will be judging man and the angels. Don’t you think we aught to have some practice at doing that then? Don’t you think we should be learning to judge now?
Well, we go to Matt. 7 and we read this, “judge not.” Is that a contradiction? “Know ye not that we shall judge the world and judge angels?” “Judge not.” Jesus Christ says in John 8:15, “I judge no man.” And He is the righteous judge of the world, but “I judge no man.”
Who are angels? What Ray mean by that? I don't think he mean judge God's angels, because no scriptures mention of 'angels' fall away and follow Satan. I think he mean 'messengers' like pastors, teachers, theologians, etc. Am I right understand?
I will be appreciate your help ;).
Brett :D
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Here is what ray means;
1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
Love,
Alex
Brett:
Thanks Alex
I'm wondering why judge angels? You know what I mean? Are angels from heaven fallen away and follow Satan? It can't be, the Greek is angelos (I'm not sure what spell in Greek), anyway it means messengers. Those could be pastors, teachers, etc.
Yet, in CLV have many 'messengers' instead of 'angels' and I cannot tell which one is from heaven or from earth. Same as KJV 'angels' cannot tell from heaven or earth. In 1 Cor. 6:3 judge angels who from earth, not from heaven (God). And in somewhere in Hebrew ch. 1 about 'angels' (messengers) are from heaven (God). So, suppose if someone say in 1 Cor. 6:3 'angels' are from heaven, then that mean God created angels for His but they fallen away. Know what I mean?
If you don't know what to say, that's okay. Someone will if they are not sick of me ;D.
Brett
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Brett on July 18, 2007, 09:47:47 AM ---Thanks Alex
I'm wondering why judge angels? You know what I mean? Are angels from heaven fallen away and follow Satan? It can't be, the Greek is angelos (I'm not sure what spell in Greek), anyway it means messengers. Those could be pastors, teachers, etc.
Yet, in CLV have many 'messengers' instead of 'angels' and I cannot tell which one is from heaven or from earth. Same as KJV 'angels' cannot tell from heaven or earth. In 1 Cor. 6:3 judge angels who from earth, not from heaven (God). And in somewhere in Hebrew ch. 1 about 'angels' (messengers) are from heaven (God). So, suppose if someone say in 1 Cor. 6:3 'angels' are from heaven, then that mean God created angels for His but they fallen away. Know what I mean?
If you don't know what to say, that's okay. Someone will if they are not sick of me ;D.
Brett
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There are Angels that sin brett but that doesn't make them 'fallen' angels. They were just always that way, they never fell. Much like humans were never in a high position to fall from, neither are angels.
2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Does this help? I mean i could be wrong but this is what i understood about angels.
chuckt:
hi all good topic, lets look at the word "judge"
Krino 3:921,469
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
kree'-no Verb
Definition
to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose to approve, esteem, to prefer to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion to determine, resolve, decree to judge
to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon it to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure
of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others to rule, govern
to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment to contend together, of warriors and combatants
to dispute in a forensic sense
to go to law, have suit at law
this helps me understand alot better, and yall????
inlove
chuckt
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