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A question derived from one of ray's papers.
DuluthGA:
Hello...I hope I can straighten out my part in this briefly: Yep Arcturus, I do stand corrected on what Paul’s splinter really was indeed as you pointed out, an evil spirit creature. I don’t know how this important piece of information escaped me when I read Ray's paper on this some time ago. I think I simply forgot. I focused only on Paul’s extremely lousey and hard life incurred by the evil doings of others as blows, lashes and floggings from them, stonings, tortures, being jailed and imprisoned, etc., well as his bad eyesight, hard toil and laboring, hunger, thirst, cold and nakedness, troubles at sea, even deaths, and being crucified upside down.
As stated in my earlier post in this thread, Reply # 28, one of several: “ALL evil is given from God. It is real to the extent that God gives it to be real, to include witchcraft, etc., etc. I didn't list at least 17 verses from the Word of God in my previous post regarding God and His evil if it wasn't REAL/ACTUAL/DOES EXIST per Him." So I think I’m on board with this, just erred in not realizing Paul had an evil entity within him.
Thanks a bunch Kat for quoting that Ray email, a good one.
No Arcturus, this is the paragraph, the second paragraph of yours I didn’t get at first:
“This might mean that the messenger of Satan is sent to those who experience transcendence of Christ and physical trials are sent only to HUMILIATE and HUMBLE those who have not yet experienced TRANSCENDENCE?”
And I get it now. It is a rhetorical question, so I will leave it at that.
Thank you Darren, I appreciate ALL your comments.
It's always great to learn, even in a roundabout way! ;) ;D
Joy, Janice
Kat:
Hi Janice,
One thing I would like to point out that you said.
--- Quote ---So I think I’m on board with this, just erred in not realizing Paul had an evil entity within him.
--- End quote ---
To Say Paul had a demon within is saying he was demon possessed. I do not believe he was demon possessed. I think from what Ray says, this would come upon Paul suddenly and attack him.
http://bible-truths.com/splinter.html ----------------------
We have to understand that Paul could not live normally, by just expecting a setback or trial from time to time as circumstances would allow. No. Paul traveled in foreign lands for years, fully conscious of the fact that this appointed messenger of Satan was always there, like a sniper in the dark, ready to suddenly pounce on Paul with blows of every description and severity of pain and agony. And how often did these things happen to Paul? Almost too often, and too much--INORDINATELY!
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This whole thing is a bit difficult to understand, but I hope you see what I'm talking about :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
GODSown1:
Bang! upside da Head, :)
Also my Heart jumped, dropped, fell even stopped 4 U Seminole, But! Yes az I hav cum 2 da knowledge, it is Hard 4 us 2 understand fingz d@ happen in our lives but! we must cum 2 accept it, We can Y dis? & Y d@? all day, night, week etc.. long, but we will neva get an answer We r satisfied with, exsept knowing wholeheartedly! GOD is in Control, alwayz has & alwayz wil be. I hav seen fingz like d@ of U Seminole happen all around me 2 my niece wen she was 4yrz old to da age of 11, it happened 2 my cuzzin whom I was bort up wit whom was once a man but now has had a sex change but 2 me da worse was 2 my very own children, Wen I cort da mother of my 4 oldest children in bed with another dude well we split up of coz, Well I took 2 children & she took 2 children, she took my oldest son then da age of 7 & da youngest of da 4 my dortas whom was 3. But! my son only dis year sumtime cum out & told me him & his younger sister were both molestered by one of their mothers boi friends bout 15 yrz ago, it was quite strange how him telln me all dis came out 2, my son was drinking with my younger dorta & her boi friend & my younga brother & my wife one night , wen my son who now is 23yrz old started talkn about a uncle of mine & he was sayn how orsum he is & kind bla bla bla... Wen out of no wher I sed Woteva son hez a molesterer! ( the molesterer of my cousin), wow! did all hell break loose, my son started yelln & sayn Y did u hav 2 say d@ dad? den ran out & ran home, everyone was telln me 2 chase him, den d@ had me finkn man! Y did I hav 2 say d@?. I jus said I will go c him in the morning & sort fingz out. Well the next morning my wife & I went ova 2 c him b4 we were 2 head back 2 da City wher we lived, az soon as I walked in my son says 2 me Dad I need 2 talk 2 U, & Bang!!!! it all cum out wot had happened 2 him & his sister bowt 15yrz ago, I new da dude 2 he was an old friend of mine but strangely enuff dis dude was killed in quite strange circumstances, he was stabbed in the back with a screw driver by the lesbian partner he was sleepn with, I jus said 2 my son after giving him & his sister big loveies!, tears n all I said son one mus 4give & da healing is made much easier & coz he had bort it out takes a big load off him as I remember everytime I was with them in years b4 having a few drinks he alwayZ! I mean AlwayZ! use 2 cry around me & no one understood Y, az he was known az da man! so 2 speak, but wen I was around he jus cried, now it all makes sense. Well im on dis subject I wanna jus tell of my nieces ordeal she is my second oldest sisters dorta (but tragically was killed in a domestic related beating) & she left 2 dortas Brooke & Krystal, well wher 2 begin, we hav dis photo of dez 2 wen dey were Brooke 4 & Krystal 2 & now we no bcoz of wot we no now one can easily C Y der r different facial exspressions on each of der faces, Well wen Brooke was 11yrz old da grandfather dropped Brooke off 2 us 4 da day, den in da afternoon he returned 2 pick her up, But! den Brookes whole attitude jus changed & she refused 2 go & she jus opened up 2 my wife & told her everything & it started @ da age of 4yrs old her so called granfather would get her out of bed around 2ish in da mornings & take her in2 da park & do wot he did 2 her dis happened daily & still 2 da day b4 he dropped her off 2 uS. Well wen it went 2 court my niece didnt wana go thru it n e longa & gav up so da granfather was set free with a warning, We will b watchn U. We were all so guttered!, how can one do dis & get away wit it, well 2 make fingz n e worse da granfather Won! 500 thousand in lotto!, we were all just freaked out Y? how? is der a GOD? bla bla bla, But! Praise GOD az d@ ended up bein his down fall, I believe he thort he could buy dis sort of sick!! thing he enjoyed doin 2 little gurls even tho it was a cple of years after it had all been bort out in da open, he tried it on another gurl but she escaped & ran down the road naked & he was arested & sent 2 jail but d@ wasnt da end of it, az he was found in his cell Hanging!. Is der a GOD!?? dam! right derz a GOD!. I dont no Y I shared dis all, my niece is now 26yrz old now & is doin really well & so r my 2 children. One fing Ive noticed is my niece so loves her children my son has 3 children he Loves so much & my younga dorta is currently pregant & is due in October at first she didnt want 2 keep it but after a talk or 2 to her, she just so cant wait 4 her baby 2 b born, THANK YOU FATHER for YOU are so GOOD, BlesSnz! 2 U Seminole, I feel the work GOD has done in U is great! & will get greater, Praise HIS name.
much muchLOVE!! Pera
Ps. I am sorry Peggy 4 gettn off da subject sumwot, I truly feel 4 U sister & I am hearing U, a quick xeperience I had was an Eye d@ came 2 me wen I was only half asleep it was a very heavy evil feeln I was feeln, But! I jus Prayed & Prayed & Prayed & it disappeared but wen I was woken by a knock on the door I ran inside where my dorta who is 13yrs old was seeing da same thing an Eye!, I just Prayed ova her till she fell asleep. wen she could talk about it, it was da exact Eye I had seen, but 2 me dis stuff doesnt faze me az I Know! FEAR nothing but the LORD dis just happened dis year sumtime but hasnt happened again, PRAISE the LORD alwayZ!!! Peace 2 U sister Peggy Oxx.
seminole:
Man Pera! You have been through the wringer! I tip my hat to you in how you have the joyous personality that comes through your writing. funny how God uses these bad things to bring us together in knowing we are not alone! Your kids are gonna be great parents because they will be more knowing that these things can happen. I got a little girl and I don't let her be around family that I know is abusers. I will protect her from anything like that I can the best I can.
Seminole
musicman:
I saw that Harry Potter movie today and I still don't know how to be a sorceror. The church is full of hypocrites. They condemn movies and commit real sins with their own idol worship and blasphemy. Anyway, I've had conversations with people who have experienced visions of dead people. I think these visions are real but they are still, visions. I think they are supernatural but they definitely ain't dead people. It's important that people be careful in what they believe in. As far as black magic. It's all deception of Satan
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