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God's work or ours?
Craig:
Nole, this is not correct.
--- Quote ---God will give us all the strength and courage to turn from whatever sin. It won't always be easy and we won't always be 100% successful. Courage to you!
--- End quote ---
If what you say is true and we are not 100% successful then God is a failure.
My God is not a failure. God will show us our sins as you said but "we" will not conquer them no matter how hard we try. When we come to point that "we" give up and recognize how carnal we really are and cry out to God to rescue us from our sins and let him enter in and remove the sin and desire, then we will be successful 100%.
I've said this before. Let's say I have a particular sin in my life (you can pick any sin) I'll use anger as an example. Lets say that I have a problem of flying off the handle with others when they make me angry. Now I am pretty strong willed, I can will myself to stop this outward anger toward others and be successful, and they may say, Wow! Craig sure has changed. But if I am seething inside or even have a quick angry thought before my strong will steps in and says stop, what have I accomplished? Not very much, because though I may appear pleasing on the outside I am still rotten on the inside. And we cannot conquer that, no matter how hard we try (I believe the harder we try the more we fail). Only Christ in us can conquer that.
Too many times we use our own strong wills to fix a problem and think it is God doing the work, most of the time that is not the case because if it were then we would not be in the poor shape we all seem to be in. Only when the carnal man, "beast" is defeated can God work his will in us, and that "beast" won't be defeated until God is ready to make it so.
Craig
Robin:
Great post Craig. :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 24, 2007, 12:03:36 PM ---Nole, this is not correct.
--- Quote ---God will give us all the strength and courage to turn from whatever sin. It won't always be easy and we won't always be 100% successful. Courage to you!
--- End quote ---
If what you say is true and we are not 100% successful then God is a failure.
My God is not a failure. God will show us our sins as you said but "we" will not conquer them no matter how hard we try. When we come to point that "we" give up and recognize how carnal we really are and cry out to God to rescue us from our sins and let him enter in and remove the sin and desire, then we will be successful 100%.
I've said this before. Let's say I have a particular sin in my life (you can pick any sin) I'll use anger as an example. Lets say that I have a problem of flying off the handle with others when they make me angry. Now I am pretty strong willed, I can will myself to stop this outward anger toward others and be successful, and they may say, Wow! Craig sure has changed. But if I am seething inside or even have a quick angry thought before my strong will steps in and says stop, what have I accomplished? Not very much, because though I may appear pleasing on the outside I am still rotten on the inside. And we cannot conquer that, no matter how hard we try (I believe the harder we try the more we fail). Only Christ in us can conquer that.
--- End quote ---
Amen Craig! I wanted to add to the rotton on the inside reminds me very much of the fact;
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
I don't think Christ wants us to be like the pharisees, and i know He will give us the strength one day to be like Him, and not dead on the in.
Paul said;
"...Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law [what law?]: for I had not known lust, except the law [which law?] had said, 'THOU SHALT NOT COVET'" (Rom. 7:7)
As ray points out, the 10th commandment of the 10 commandments.
DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
Only God can bring us to the point where we DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT [insert sin].
Love,
Alex
UncleBeau:
--- Quote from: Craig on July 24, 2007, 12:03:36 PM ---Nole, this is not correct.
--- Quote ---God will give us all the strength and courage to turn from whatever sin. It won't always be easy and we won't always be 100% successful. Courage to you!
--- End quote ---
If what you say is true and we are not 100% successful then God is a failure.
My God is not a failure. God will show us our sins as you said but "we" will not conquer them no matter how hard we try. When we come to point that "we" give up and recognize how carnal we really are and cry out to God to rescue us from our sins and let him enter in and remove the sin and desire, then we will be successful 100%.
I've said this before. Let's say I have a particular sin in my life (you can pick any sin) I'll use anger as an example. Lets say that I have a problem of flying off the handle with others when they make me angry. Now I am pretty strong willed, I can will myself to stop this outward anger toward others and be successful, and they may say, Wow! Craig sure has changed. But if I am seething inside or even have a quick angry thought before my strong will steps in and says stop, what have I accomplished? Not very much, because though I may appear pleasing on the outside I am still rotten on the inside. And we cannot conquer that, no matter how hard we try (I believe the harder we try the more we fail). Only Christ in us can conquer that.
Too many times we use our own strong wills to fix a problem and think it is God doing the work, most of the time that is not the case because if it were then we would not be in the poor shape we all seem to be in. Only when the carnal man, "beast" is defeated can God work his will in us, and that "beast" won't be defeated until God is ready to make it so.
Craig
--- End quote ---
I believe God works his will in us whether or not our god is the "beast" of carnal man. Everything happens for the purpose of His will. I also think that the term "100% successful" is a little strange. How can something be only partially successful? If it wasn't 100%, would it be successful at all? Everyothing done can be proven to be successful in "something", can it not? You can succeed in not doing something just as well as doing something. The sin was caused by Him, the repentance is caused by Him, and like Craig said, He's always successful. So, If God causes All things, nothing can ever be a failure.
seminole:
To clear up my poor response. Do I believe I can overcome my sin? NO! The power of God is 100% successful but I am not! Please don't read more into my response than intended. Thanks
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