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The Worst Sin in History
LittleBear:
I never considered this REAL Lord's prayer in this light. How wonderful!
Thank you for this.
Love,
Ursula
Sue Creamer:
Hi Joe,
You have so beautifully worded what I was trying to say back a few post. Thank you for taking the time and effort to bring to light the beautiful mind of Christ, and his love for all mankind. I believe forgiveness has to be intrinsic within each and every person Christ has "called" and has "chosen". I love the talent that many of you have in this forum to speak and write so beautifully. It is so inspiring to read the words that flow from God's people and have such deep meaning, words that are lovely and yet so powerful and are full of God's spirit and guidance. :)
Sue Ann
hillsbororiver:
Hello jER & Gena,
I really have lost count on how many times I have read and reread these articles and it simply amazes me on how much I pick up each time around, sometimes it is so powerful I have to stop, close my eyes and simply meditate on the significance and thank God for making this available to me (and all of us).
There are times when I am reading and checking scriptures that other insights jump out that (subject wise) are unrelated to the original material, I really look forward to the time I can get to thoroughly dissect a paper with a couple of bibles at hand, E-sword at my disposal and uninterrupted hours to do it.
Hi Darren,
--- Quote from: YellowStone on July 22, 2007, 12:46:18 AM ---
Why would Christ want us all to become childlike with a mindset the same, perhaps because the truth can be seen for what it is.
Reminds me of the child who asked: Why is the Emperor naked? :)
As for not knowing what "we" do (Luke 23:33-34) How could we, for his ways are higher than our ways and we cannot even direct our steps.
Trust is not about hanging on, but letting go :)
--- End quote ---
So true, once we realize that we are all miserable, helpless sinners, in bondage to our own personal desires whatever they might be we begin to see that we of ourselves can do nothing, once we let go of our own works (dead), righteousness (filthy rags) and are broken and humble enough to just let go and pray for Him to take over our hearts and our lives.
God is not a respector of persons, He does not look at someone and say well that guy only tells a few lies every now and then at least he isn't gay, let's 'save' him, or this dude actually killed someone but this one only stole the life savings of an old man who was at the end of his life anyway, let's work on saving the thief.
We know that God has a plan and purpose and that He uses evil to obtain a good (even perfect result), it truly requires a childlike faith to accept the fact that God created us flawed (perhaps in some different and unique areas) and He did it not randomly or by chance but to His ultimate glory.
Using human reasoning it would seem a bit strange (even bizarre) that the Lord would choose a man who hunted down and killed His followers instead of someone else, why did He not choose someone like this and show him the Light?
Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
We know Jesus could have opened this young man's eyes just as effectively as He opened Paul's, we also know He used Paul to further His plan and to glorify the power of God. Why did He not choose the man in Mark 10? It was not because he had money and possessions, we can be sure Saul (Paul) was well compensated by the Temple Priests. I can't say I know the answer to this but I am sure we will know the reason why He chooses (and doesn't choose) certain people in the ages to come.
Arcturus once again your answers and comments are greatly appreciated and food for much thought.
Ursula and Sue Ann, thanks for the kind words, it is a beautiful (and humbling) thing when the Lord uses us to help our brethren to see something in His Word a little clearer, I thank Him every day for those who we fellowship with here and the insights He provides to us through them all.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Sorin:
I remember reading that when I first discovered Ray's site, and I kept thinking: "How can anybody (Christian/follower of Christ, etc..) still
deny that all will be saved?"
That would obviously mean that Jesus' prayer was denied. It went unanswered, and his death was almost in vain; he ends up saving what... ten percent of the world, if that? Basically I realized that from Christian doctrines; Jesus didn't die to save the world. He died so that those who choose to be saved, will be saved. He died so we can have a choice. But then you run into problems, because you run into such verses as "no man can come to me except the Father should draw(drag) him". And the carnal mind being enmity against God, and is not subject to the law of God, nor is it able to be... so how can anybody just choose, on their own, to come to Christ? I thought all deny him, and no one is seeking out God, etc.. etc.. etc...
But when you tell Christians that, they don't believe it. Even though everything I just said is Scriptural.
UncleBeau:
--- Quote from: Sorin on July 23, 2007, 07:05:54 PM ---I remember reading that when I first discovered Ray's site, and I kept thinking: "How can anybody (Christian/follower of Christ, etc..) still
deny that all will be saved?"
That would obviously mean that Jesus' prayer was denied. It went unanswered, and his death was almost in vain; he ends up saving what... ten percent of the world, if that? Basically I realized that from Christian doctrines; Jesus didn't die to save the world. He died so that those who choose to be saved, will be saved. He died so we can have a choice. But then you run into problems, because you run into such verses as "no man can come to me except the Father should draw(drag) him". And the carnal mind being enmity against God, and is not subject to the law of God, nor is it able to be... so how can anybody just choose, on their own, to come to Christ? I thought all deny him, and no one is seeking out God, etc.. etc.. etc...
But when you tell Christians that, they don't believe it. Even though everything I just said is Scriptural.
--- End quote ---
It's fuuny when we finally see what little truth we're given, that it seems just so obvious to us now and "How can they not see it"? I guess that's why God uses the foolish (obvious) things to confound the wicked. I suppose that also means that I was considered by God to be wicked too! I'm sure lots of people know that they fall short, but only a few know just how far they fell.
your friend,
-Beau
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